Xerox 8830 & Wipeout entities

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by Darren J. Young, Jan 27, 2004.

  1. Anyone with a Xerox 8830 that uses Wipeout entities?

    Nobody here's used Wipeouts in the past and I was looking at
    implementing them here for a couple things but when plotted to a Xerox
    8830, they plot with a light dot pattern. Tried the most up to date
    drivers (both Windows system drivers & HDI) but have the same result.

    Even tried using an HP Designjet 750 driver in AutoCAD mapped to the
    Xerox and it does the same thing. Using that same driver mapped to our
    Kip printer, it comes out fine.

    Sounds like a hardware issue to me. Anyone else experience this? How (if
    at all) did you fix it? Short of not using Wipeouts or using a different
    wide format device that is.



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    Darren J. Young
    CAD/CAM Systems Developer

    Cold Spring Granite Company
    202 South Third Avenue
    Cold Spring, Minnesota 56320

    Email:
    Phone: (320) 685-5045
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    Darren J. Young, Jan 27, 2004
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    news Guest

    A variety of problems can crop up when using wipeouts. I've had problems
    with them being solid black on our Xerox printer. My solution might just
    work for you. Especially with the Xerox 8830.

    Define a new plotter selecting "Raster File formats" under Manufacturers and
    "TIFF Version 6 (CCITT G4 2D Compression)" under Models. Select "to File"
    for its output destination.

    Configure the new plotter for your paper size by adding a your custom paper
    size (in pixels/inch * inches). My 22" x 34" paper is 10400pixels x 6600
    pixels for my chosen resoultion of 300 px/in (same as dpi).

    Plot a window or limits that is exactly the size of your paper. I use paper
    space at 1:1 but I believe a proportionally scaled area would do the same.

    You probably have the Xerox Document Submit tool with your 8830 but if not
    you can download a free tiff submission tool from xerox that will make it
    very easy to send the file to your plotter. Since the file is a TIFF image
    with a fixed size exactly matching your paper size it should print centered,
    with any device required margins cropped. This works very well for me. And,
    when I send mine to print on 11x17 paper. The print is a perfect half size
    print.

    I am having a little problem with batch plots using a script. I posted a
    new thread about that today.
     
    news, Jan 27, 2004
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  3. I think you have to use a postscript driver to get the wipeouts to work...

    Thanks for the heads up Joel. I'll give that a whirl when I get a little
    breathing room in my schedule.

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    Darren J. Young
    CAD/CAM Systems Developer

    Cold Spring Granite Company
    202 South Third Avenue
    Cold Spring, Minnesota 56320

    Email:
    Phone: (320) 685-5045
    Fax: (320) 685-5052
     
    Darren J. Young, Jan 28, 2004
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    Scott Robins Guest

    Well, it's a firmware issue on the printer controller. I think it will be
    fixed in AccXES version 10.0, but I'm not 100% sure.

    ScottR
     
    Scott Robins, Jan 29, 2004
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    Andy Rollins Guest

    I was just about to post the same thing this morning. I have an Oce TDS600
    and I just noticed this morning that our wipeouts have been getting a light
    dot pattern as well! We're using the raster type wipeout. I don't
    understand why the Oce would want to give them a dot pattern... I'll be
    checking today for firmware upgrades as well. It's very subtle... no one
    had noticed it in months that we've had the Oce.. but still unacceptable.
     
    Andy Rollins, Jan 29, 2004
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  6. I was just about to post the same thing this morning. I have an Oce TDS600
    Ours (on the Xerox 8830) is very noticeable. Luckily, 99% of all plots
    to customers go to to our KIP and not the 8830.


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    Darren J. Young
    CAD/CAM Systems Developer

    Cold Spring Granite Company
    202 South Third Avenue
    Cold Spring, Minnesota 56320

    Email:
    Phone: (320) 685-5045
    Fax: (320) 685-5052
     
    Darren J. Young, Jan 29, 2004
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    Andy Rollins Guest

    And the only concerns I have is the light dot pattern going out on plans to
    the registry... but we do those on inkjet anyhow. I suppose I could start
    using the "solid" type wipeout and set it to a noplot color in our pen
    table.
     
    Andy Rollins, Jan 29, 2004
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  8. And the only concerns I have is the light dot pattern going out on plans to
    FYI,

    With the help of our repro firm who we lease our Xerox 8830 from, here's
    how to get rid of that blasted dot pattern on the wipeout entities....

    You need to install the latest Windows System Printer drivers for an HP
    DesignJet 750c. Whatever ships on your AutoCAD 2004 or 2004 based
    vertical should work). When installing the driver, point it to your
    Xerox 8830's tcp/ip port. From AutoCAD, you can then plot to that
    System Printer directly or create a PC3 file based on that Windows
    System Printer.

    This should clear up that dot pattern. If you need help walking through
    the driver installation, let me know and I'd see if I can't jot the
    steps I took down on paper.


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    Darren J. Young
    CAD/CAM Systems Developer

    Cold Spring Granite Company
    202 South Third Avenue
    Cold Spring, Minnesota 56320

    Email:
    Phone: (320) 685-5045
    Fax: (320) 685-5052
     
    Darren J. Young, Jan 30, 2004
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    Tom Berning Guest

    This is a problem with the firmware. I have talked with one of the system
    analysis at Xerox and he said they are working on a fix and will be released
    in a new firmware build. He knows this will be released for the HFT
    controller, but it may not be released for the N5T controller since it is
    old and not being made any longer. He said once the other firmware is
    released he is going to try to get an updated version for the N5T
    controller. If you don't know what controller you have, look for the serial
    number on the back of the printer. The first 3 letters/numbers are the type
    of controller. This same problem happens on the 8825 and the new 510dp. I
    have also seen it on the Oce TDS400.
     
    Tom Berning, Feb 2, 2004
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  10. This is a problem with the firmware. I have talked with one of the system
    Thanks for the info Tom. You can get around it (at least for the 8830)
    by using the Windows System driver for an HP 750c mapped to the 8830.

    I do believe we have the N5T controller on our unit.

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    Darren J. Young
    CAD/CAM Systems Developer

    Cold Spring Granite Company
    202 South Third Avenue
    Cold Spring, Minnesota 56320

    Email:
    Phone: (320) 685-5045
    Fax: (320) 685-5052
     
    Darren J. Young, Feb 2, 2004
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    rbuckman Guest

    The HP 1055CM driver also works for this purpose but it will not let you mirror the image to plot on mylar.

    Do you know if the 750 driver allows you to mirror the image?
     
    rbuckman, Jan 25, 2005
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  12. You can use dview to look your drawing from back in one layout and plot that
    on mylar. I have done it sometimes.

    Matti
     
    Matti Pitkänen, Jan 26, 2005
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