xerox 510 or oce' tds 400- must decide asap-

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by jd-drafter, Apr 29, 2004.

  1. jd-drafter

    jd-drafter Guest

    hello all-

    our eng. office is opening a repro- shop and i have been researching our
    copier options- it will be the tds 400 or the xerox 510-

    i was sold on the oce' until the last minute when the xerox guy called-
    turns out the 510 will scan to file in color! does more sheets per minute in
    base form(5 vs. 3.5), and can have the sheets perminute increased to 5 or 10
    ppm with just a password- the 510 will be about 1000-1500 dollars more than
    the oce' but it looks like it would be worth it. the cost per sheet of the
    consumables is also alot less- of course that is per xerox's literature- but
    the number matched the oce' info i recieved

    Consumables Cost Assumptions
    8850 510 TDS
    600 TDS 400
    Toner Cost $218.50 $218.50 $290.00
    Yield (Sq Ft) 23,400 23,400 12,400
    Toner Cost/Sq Ft $0.00934 $0.00934 $0.02339
    Developer Cost NA NA $455.00
    Yield (Sq Ft) NA NA 113,400
    Developer Cost/Sq Ft 0 0 $0.004012

    Total Cost/Sq Ft $0.00934 $0.00934 $0.02740

    please comment- i have until thursday afternoon to decide-

    thank you very much-

    jd-drafter, Apr 29, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest


    the page width demons got me- well the far right column is shifted down and
    over to the left-

    the botom line is the xerox is less that half as much per sq. ft. per plot

    jd-drafter, Apr 29, 2004
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    Ed Guest

    The info you have is based on company literature which will always put
    the companys product in its best light. Have you talked to other
    owners in the area? What about service? Is the tech local to the area?
    Are they competent?
    Have you test driven these printers yet? You know most dealers offer a
    try before you buy so you can see for yourself. Talk to colleagues and
    even competition in your area and get their opinion.

    Good luck.

    Ed, Apr 29, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest

    dropping topic on floor.....

    hollow sounding echo.......

    hello... is anybody out there?


    jd-drafter, Apr 29, 2004
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    Andy Rollins Guest

    Well I'd be happy to offer up my somewhat biased opinion... I prefer the
    Oce. I have the TDS 600 here and it's been a great machine. I have heard
    that that Xerox machines require more frequent cleanings.. requiring service
    calls. The Oce 400 has a slower output, but from what I remember, higher
    quality than the 600. (been perfectly happy with the print quality of our
    600... so I imagine the 400 is superb)

    Yes the Xerox can scan to file in color.. for an additional charge. (and
    the Oce does not currently have that ability)

    We had much older Xerox copy machines which were a nightmare. (but these
    were much older models)

    Sorry, seemed like you were desperate for some input. Hope mine helps.
    Andy Rollins, Apr 29, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest

    hey it was better than all of the others- 8^)

    well with the scan to color option the xerox is $1700 more than the tds 400-
    not bad-

    the monthly service charges include the tone from xerox- oce's charges

    it looks like it will be the xerox- i just can't deny the expandability,
    color scanning, lower cost of consumables- and they even have great paper
    prices- ? go figure.


    jd-drafter, Apr 29, 2004
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    Andy Rollins Guest

    Can't say I blame you... it does look like a tempting offer.

    Sounds like you're sold.. but a small thing first.. you can find the Oce
    toner a bit cheaper than you were quoted.. I think I pay about 140 per box
    of 2 bottles. Minor factor.. but worth mentioning. Paper-wise.. they can
    use the same media I believe.. just depends on who your supplier is. We've
    been using the same rolls we formerly ordered for our Xerox.

    Good luck with the big buy! Isn't it nerve-wracking??
    Andy Rollins, Apr 29, 2004
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    buckwheat Guest

    We have the 510dp with the color option and upgraded speed on the plotter.
    Needs 220v with the upgraded speed option.

    I think they also have an option for upgrading the speed on the scanner

    We've been very happy, but it does take up a big chunk of floor space.
    buckwheat, Apr 29, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest

    while it is not directly my money- it is still a big decision- i have to
    live with for the next 5 years or so

    we are stull looking for a good paper price-

    thanks for the toner hint-

    oce' had a deal that if you tradein and old plotter you got 6 boxes of
    toner- but i really did not want to get into that-

    jd-drafter, Apr 29, 2004
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    Andy Rollins Guest

    When we bought ours about 10 months ago.. there was 20 boxes of toner
    included. That was nice... then we saw how much they cost.. eep! Good
    Andy Rollins, Apr 29, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest

    is it the scanner that takes up the space? it lookes like it might have a
    large "tray habging off of the back of it to catch the prints?

    our space will be about 24'x22'- we need to fit the 510, another std. format
    xerox macine, and 2 internet terminal computers- althought i may employ one
    of them to help with plot file storage...

    thanks for the 220 volt tip- i will need to account for that-

    how had the macine been as far as reliability?

    thank you very much for any input

    jd-drafter, Apr 29, 2004
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    buckwheat Guest

    The tray that hangs on the back of the scanner is about 4' wide x 3'deep.

    The tray on the front of the plotter is approx the same size. We opted
    for the heavy duty output tray on the plotter. It has it's own little motor
    the runs little rubber wheels on the tray which help to stack the paper,
    plus it holds a lot of paper.

    There are a ton of options for the 510dp. They are activated with "feature
    keys" downloaded from their web site.

    We can scan to PDF, but cannot send it to the plotter with their software
    because we didn't get the postscript option. (another "feature key").
    Although we can send them using the regular Adobe Acrobat program.

    We have had very few issues with the scanner/plotter. But the motorized
    output tray on the plotter has been jamming paper occasionally.
    buckwheat, Apr 29, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest

    cool- well i guess i will see for real in about 2-3 weeks-


    jd-drafter, Apr 29, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest

    so- buckwheat-

    what is the time to plot on that 510? does it require a long warm up?


    jd-drafter, Apr 30, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest


    i di not ignore your post- i just did not get it- i saw it when i googles
    the xerox 510 in groups-

    thanks for the thoughts- i realized that the info was skewed a bit- but
    after all of the other research it seems to be a good deal- there is another
    place in the area that has on older model and are very happy with it-

    we are in a remote area sort of- about 1.5 hours away from the big city-

    jd-drafter, Apr 30, 2004
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    buckwheat Guest

    Scanner has a short warm up ...... maybe a minute.

    Plotter warmup depends on how far into hibernation it's gone.

    First thing in the morning .... approx 5 - 6 minutes

    during the day between plots .... maybe 2 minutes

    you can set the times to whatever works better.

    Most options on this, we can set via the internet browser
    pointing to it's internal LAN IP Address. It's on our network.

    It does have this annoying habit (at least for us) of telling
    us that the toner is out. We usually just open the back
    door of the plotter and close it again to reset it.
    buckwheat, Apr 30, 2004
  17. Sorry to hijaak the thread, but..


    You mention you are running the TDS 600. We just got one.

    There is one thing I want to do that has been a lot of trouble:
    We are using PrintExecLT in order to print multiple drawing
    sets from plt files. I would like to plot half scale drawings
    from the same plts. When I attempt this using a 50% scale
    factor in PrintExecLT, it crashes the controller. I have tried
    many different things including odd configurations suggested
    by our dealer. Any ideas from your end?

    Terry Scanlon, Apr 30, 2004
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    jd-drafter Guest


    well we just faxed off the paperwork to get it- so we shall see what

    thanks for all the tips-

    jd-drafter, Apr 30, 2004
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