Wildfire and old poops

Discussion in 'Pro/Engineer & Creo Elements/Pro' started by Doug, Jul 9, 2003.

  1. Doug

    Doug Guest

    Hello fellow Pro users,

    I have a question. I have just played with the new Wildfire in the last
    few days. I have been using Pro since about rev 7. I was never a big fan
    of the intent manager, and I'm not getting a warm fuzzy over what I've seen
    in Wildfire. I'm told it's suppose to save some picks, and is more
    object/action vs. action/object driven. I haven't played with it enough to
    make that opinion yet. What do other people think, and how long have you
    been using it. Pro that is. I just have a hunch this old dog is having a
    hard time learning new tricks.

    Thanks in advance,
    Doug, Jul 9, 2003
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    David Janes Guest

    Doug, if you'd like to see where PTC/Pro/E are headed, take a look at
    Pro/DESKTOP. It's a genuine Windows program which has eliminated all the
    Unix goofiness of Pro/E and implemented real, throrough object action
    modelling. It is, as it says, built on Granite, so ultimately, it is capable
    of anything Pro/e is, but for now, they've stuck to the basics: modelling,
    assembly and drawing. You should try it just to see something you'll never
    see in Pro/E. First, you open and use it full screen, no 'Menu manager'.
    Then you open several models, all in the same desktop, instead of spawning
    new instances of the program for each model. And, under its Window menu, you
    have the option to tile or cascade each of these windows within the same
    program window and each with its own feature tree. I didn't try this yet,
    but I suspect it is the foundation for the ability drag/assemble parts to an
    assembly. And not once did it get confused about what window was active.
    Ctrl-A means, as it does in the GUI standard, select all, not the goofy
    'Activate window' because your $30 grand program is too stupid to figure out
    that the very last window open MUST be the active one. That kind of
    goofiness is gone in Pro/DESKTOP. Everything PTC said for all those years
    about why it had to be that way just seems to have vanished. No 'set working
    directory': I got parts from three different directories, assembled them,
    saved the assembly to a fourth directory, closed it and had no trouble
    opening it back up again. Just as you'd expect of a Windows program. Also,
    the graphics are spectacular, better than Pro/e's, much better than
    SolidWorks. The shading is basic but the see-through view setting is like
    setting all the part colors to transparent in Pro/e only much better. It's
    like looking through different pastel shades of lightly etched glass. And
    there's even a button that gives you quick access to cross sections by
    picking any plane as a cut plane. Do this trough an assembly with
    translucent view, it's unbelievable. They should go to Best Buy or CompUSA
    and get it bundled with the other software on new Dells. If you used it for
    a while, you'd see what was wrong with Pro/e. Yeah, it's Pro/e, not you.

    Your problem, along with many long-time users of Pro/e, is that you've
    adapted to the goofiness and specialized in finding 'workarounds'. Pro/e is
    the workaround capital of the universe. By now, everyone thinks that a
    config.pro and a separate default.dtl file and config.mech and color.map and
    syscol.scl and a bunch of other random configuration files is normal.
    They've gotten used to figuring out what obscure C++ variable names mean in
    config.pro and ferreting out what they do (though I'm still not sure about
    absolute and relative accuracy, I'm sure it's a scam). But the silliness has
    gone on for so long that PTC's perennial shuffling of menu items must seem
    like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I think they are making
    some progress, but slowly, hesitantly, inconsistently. For example, after I
    got Wildfire and started trying out some tutorial stuff, I tried using it
    full screen, thinking man, that'd be some progress. I thought they'd finally
    gotten rid of stinking Menu manager, but then I was looking for Setup to
    change units. It was up under Edit. But it just opened the Setup Menu
    manager. So, it's partly gone, but not consistently. The object/action
    paradigm is only partly implemented. If they would just get it where it's
    going and then quit fiddling with it for a few years, instead of dragging it
    out like the US so-called transition to metric, everyone would be a lot
    happier. And the improvements would be noticeable and untainted by the
    current inconsistency.

    David Janes
    David Janes, Jul 10, 2003
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