where can i buy a copy of Autocad Release 14?

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by PalmerRon, Jan 16, 2007.

  1. PalmerRon

    PalmerRon Guest

    Can anyone tell me where I can buy a copy of Audtocad Release 14?
     
    PalmerRon, Jan 16, 2007
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  2. PalmerRon

    me Guest

    From Autodesk of course
     
    me, Jan 16, 2007
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  3. PalmerRon

    hpspt Guest

    perhaps ebay...
     
    hpspt, Jan 16, 2007
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  4. PalmerRon

    Jerry G Guest

    Jerry G, Jan 18, 2007
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  5. PalmerRon

    me Guest

    Ooops. I suppose you're right. Why would somebody want r14 rather than a
    current version?

    s
     
    me, Jan 18, 2007
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  6. Fast version, lighter footprint, little 3d work, lots of legacy
    customization.
     
    Michael Bulatovich, Jan 19, 2007
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  7. PalmerRon

    Jerry G Guest

    Maybe they're running it on an older slower computer.
     
    Jerry G, Jan 19, 2007
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  8. PalmerRon

    Remo Shiva Guest


    lol intresting way of looking at it, wonder if that would stand up in court
     
    Remo Shiva, Jan 19, 2007
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  9. PalmerRon

    Jerry G Guest

    Whether they sell or support is not relevant. They still own it, and
    have the right to sue anyone that steals their intellectual property.
    Even if they(Autodesk) went belly-up, their rights would simply transfer
    as a result of the bankruptcy. If I own the patent on a type of hard
    drive, but don't build or sell that type of hard drive because I now
    sell memory based drives, doesn't mean you can build or sell my type of
    hard drive without paying me for the right to use my patented
    technology. If I own a tv that sits in my garage and is never used
    doesn't mean you can take my tv.
     
    Jerry G, Jan 19, 2007
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  10. PalmerRon

    Troppo Guest

    You used to be able to buy R14 - 2K on a single CD in Kowloon ...
    If you have a personal dated receipt issued in a country that had not yet
    signed the International Convention on Copyright AND you don't make copies
    for other people you're probably ok :)
     
    Troppo, Jan 19, 2007
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  11. PalmerRon

    Steve Guest

    Interesting analogy. Intellectual propoperty rights don't apply to something
    like a TV. Its content yes but not its electronics. Does the same copyrights
    used for artistic creations apply to software? I doubt it.
    Now don't patents run out after 17 years?
     
    Steve, Jan 19, 2007
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    Jerry G Guest

    Software is intellectual property and invention combined, governed by
    copyrights and patents. Copyrights have much longer expiration dates.
    Look at "Peter Pan, which is still protected by copyright. Something
    like 70 years after death of heirs. What is death of heirs for corporations?
     
    Jerry G, Jan 19, 2007
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  13. PalmerRon

    Steve Guest

    Which one is it? copyright or patent? with what expiration date???
     
    Steve, Jan 19, 2007
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    Mason Guest

    AutoDesk still own the COPYRIGHT therefore legal still own the software.
    Illegal? How? R14 is a discontinued product, it is no longer sold or
    supported, hence there is no requirement to abide by the former R14 license
    as the former R14 license has expired.
     
    Mason, Jan 22, 2007
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    Jerry G Guest

    Specific code would be copyright. Concepts would be patented. So if they
    invent a method for handling drawings such as modelspace and paperspace
    they patent that and no one else can use that concept in their product.
    But the actual lines of code to implement the concept are copyrighted.
    When the patent runs out you, the competitor are allowed to introduce
    that concept into your drawing, but you have to write unique code (not
    copy the lines) to get there.
     
    Jerry G, Jan 22, 2007
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  16. PalmerRon

    Jerry G Guest

    Disagree vehemently. Lack of support and refusal to sell a product does
    not mean abandonment of license agreement rights. Autocad never
    proceeded with suing people who continue to use the older products
    simply because the license agreement did not state a time frame
    limitation for use of the product. They simply stopped giving discounts
    for updating the products.
    In fact the argument that they have abandoned the product is easily
    contradicted by the fact that the service packs for R14 are still
    available on the autodesk website. They may not be writing updated
    patches, but they still maintain the product sufficiently to claim any
    and all rights to the product.
    If I sell you my old copy of Autocad 2000, I am still subject to the
    license agreement that I accepted when I first installed and clicked "I
    accept," including Autodesk's right to refusal with regards to the
    assigning of my rights to the use of the software. The agreement is in
    perpetuity.
     
    Jerry G, Jan 22, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    <<The agreement is in
    perpetuity.
    What about the heirs after the person, who agreed to the license agreement,
    rests in peace??? What then? the disks must be returned to autodesk?? By law
    the heirs inherit the disks (paid for) but are not bound to any contract.
     
    Steve, Jan 26, 2007
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    Jerry G Guest

    Not being a lawyer, I can only assume that it would be similar to a
    mortgage on a home. The transfer of the home is subject to the
    conditions on the title, such as the mortgage,tax liabilities, home
    owner's association rules etc. Similarly the transfer of the rights to
    use the software would be subject to the terms that were accepted by the
    person who originally purchased the software. If you don't like the
    rules you have the option to allow the property to be claimed by the
    mortgagor (you can't be forced to accept an inheritance) or the software
    licensor.
     
    Jerry G, Jan 29, 2007
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