temperature simulation of a chip heater

Discussion in 'Cadence' started by Frank Nitsche, May 7, 2004.

  1. Hi everybody,

    does anyone know how to simulate the thermo-electrical behaviour of a
    chip heater? We have to design an on-chip temperature control for an
    ASIC which should contain an on-chip heating and should control it's own
    temperature by some on-chip temperature sensors (e.g. diodes or ptat).
    I know that we simply can use spectre to simulate the behaviour of the
    electrical part depending on the temperature but what's about the
    heating?. Does anyone has an idea how we can simulate the chip
    temperature (and possibly it's distribution across the chip) depending
    on the electrical parameters of the circuitry (e.g. heating current or
    power dissipation). The chip should be directly used to heat up and
    analyze a liquid.
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    Best regards

    Dr. Frank Nitsche
    Technical Manager Chipdesign

    MAZeT GmbH

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    Frank Nitsche, May 7, 2004
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  2. Frank Nitsche

    raman Guest

    Hi Frank,

    It should be possible to use spectre to do what you require
    with some effort. You first need to formulate the equations that
    describe the heat generation/dissipation in terms of the physical
    quantities such as heater element geometry, thermal conductivity
    of the heating element, sp. heat capacity of the material enclosing
    the heating element, thermal resistance between the heating element
    and the enclosure and the surrounding medium(in this case the liquid)
    also taking in to account the heat losses due to conduction, convection
    and radiation. Most of the equations could be derived fairly easily
    by looking at the principles of heat sink design with some additional
    information about specific materials being used.
    Then you could tie these factors to the electrical quatities for
    simulation in spectre. SpectreHDL or Verilog-A will the language of
    choice, which should work well with the spectre spice models.

    Regards
    Raman
     
    raman, May 10, 2004
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  3. Hi Frank,

    I would recommand you to contact MicRed Ltd.
    http://www.micred.com/
    They are experts in electro-thermal simulation, and measurement.

    Look at the following link :
    http://www.micred.com/prodserv/products/software/therman/examples.html
    (I have used their tool (THERMAN) to generate the thermal map of
    the digital circuit in the middle of this page.)

    They are also selling a measurement kit which includes a
    device heater doing what you are trying to implement.
    http://www.micred.com/prodserv/products/measdev/test_dies/index.html

    Hope it helps.
    Regards,

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    http://cmp.imag.fr
    http://tima.imag.fr
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    -------- Original Message --------
    Subject: temperature simulation of a chip heater
    Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 14:02:43 +0200
    From: Frank Nitsche <>
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    Kholdoun TORKI, May 10, 2004
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  4. Hi Kholdoun,

    thanks, I think this will be the best approach to solve the problem.

    Frank.


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    Technischer Leiter Chipdesign

    MAZeT GmbH Email: mailto:
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    Frank Nitsche, May 12, 2004
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