Simulate input referred noise using Cadence noise analysis?

Discussion in 'Cadence' started by wjcndyd, Jun 3, 2005.

  1. wjcndyd

    wjcndyd Guest

    If I want to simulate input referred noise of an op amp using "Noise"
    analysis in Analog Artist, is the configuration (unity-gain) below a
    good way?
    Vsin here is the independent source from analogLib. Since vsin itself
    is noiseless, then all the noise should come from the amplifier itself,
    in this case, onoise = input referred noise, right? Or Vsin can be
    replaced with vdc with AC amplitude set to 0... ? Thank you for your
    comments/corrections!

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    wjcndyd, Jun 3, 2005
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  2. wjcndyd

    wjcndyd Guest

    Sorry, I meant AC magnitude "1".
     
    wjcndyd, Jun 3, 2005
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  3. If you do a noise analysis, you can tell it where the input source is, and it
    will then compute the input referred noise in whatever gain configuration
    you've got. It's pretty silly measuring input referred noise in a different
    conguration than you're actually going to use the amplifier.

    You don't need to set an AC magnitude to do noise analysis - since it computes
    the transfer function from the specified source to the output, and then
    divides the output noise by that transfer function.

    Regards,

    Andrew.
     
    Andrew Beckett, Jun 3, 2005
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  4. wjcndyd

    wjcndyd Guest

    So putting a source there (vsin or whatever) is just to let the
    simulator know where the input is? Did I understand this correctly?
    Thank you very much!
     
    wjcndyd, Jun 3, 2005
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  5. Yes, you need to have a current or voltage source (even if it is dc,
    with zero-value), and then you need to indicate this source when you specify
    the noise analysis. You're telling the noise analysis which source is the
    input of the circuit.

    Of course, if you don't care about input referred noise, you can tell it that
    there isn't an input source.

    Alternatively if you're computing noise figure or noise factor, you can tell
    it that you have a port as the input (ports are like sources but have
    impedance, and the impedance generates noise, which is important if you're
    measuring noise figure - mostly for RF designers...)

    Regards,

    Andrew.
     
    Andrew Beckett, Jun 6, 2005
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