I have a drawing from R2004 - huge one. Has several Lines that are wierd. When I select / entget - I get a different dxf 10 & 11 (begin - endpoints)..than when I just 'List' them on screen. See below: Command: (SETQ SS (SSGET)) Select objects: 1 found Select objects: <Selection set: 12> Command: (SETQ A (ENTGET (SSNAME SS 0))) ((-1 . <Entity name: 7efe9180>) (0 . "LINE") (330 . <Entity name: 7ef6fc10>) (5 "5A3F0") (100 . "AcDbEntity") (67 . 0) (410 . "Model") (8 . "117-PCLL") (100 "AcDbLine") (10 729449.0 721302.0 0.0) (11 729597.0 721167.0 0.0) (210 0.0 0.0 1.0)) Command: LIST Select objects: 1 found Select objects: LINE Layer: "117-PCLL" Space: Model space Handle = 5A3F0 from point, X= 1211.21 Y= 1768.34 Z= 0.00 to point, X= 1359.09 Y= 1633.59 Z= 0.00 Length = 200.06, Angle in XY Plane = S 47d39'34" E Delta X = 147.88, Delta Y = -134.75, Delta Z = 0.00 ------- anyone have a clue as to why the same line..has different entget / list values for x y ? Confused. Bob