Paper Space vs. Model Space

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by Vlad, Mar 1, 2005.

  1. Vlad

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  2. Vlad

    Dave Jones Guest

    I've been here as long as you have :)
    fair enough
    everything I posted would have been the same thing I would have said in a
    face to face meeting. I apologize for the use of initials that could be
    construed as offensive language. Other than that I think that this thread is
    nothing more than a conversation about using Acad to it's full advantage and
    not being closed minded about methods used to achieve an end. Nothing off
    topic or non constructive about that IMO.

    off to other things,
    Dave
     
    Dave Jones, Mar 18, 2005
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    COVENANT777 Guest

    Ok, since we are all being cool, I just want to state again that I was joking when i said I am the master, and that I agree that there are many ways of using autocad, i just wanted to bring up some contreveral stuff about autocad that would spark conversation that would be point proving by using examples. So i will start., the reason i believe paperspace to be the most efficient way to text in is that you don't have to make text layers for one, second when breaking out part plans lets just say on a architectual or plumbing plan, you don't have to make mulitple copies of xref. Everything is done one time with one drawing even with multiple floors, everything....(deep breath), is done once. Point being layers, layers are there to be used for these situations, we layer off mulitiple floors lets say in a bldg. for example, each floor has a set of layers, with in each floor you may want to blow up an area on the sheet. Hence viewports, now trying to cut a viewport and some how fit all the text in that view port with alot of drawing done in that blown up area can become extremely messy. So the way I do it is text it, dimension it and everytying else you can think of that has to do with text, is done in paper space. Tabs are sheets, each tab is a sheet. So this is only a small example of what I do, please feel free to ask questions or comment. Sorry if i offended anyone, probably should have worded things differently.
     
    COVENANT777, Mar 18, 2005
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  4. Vlad

    Dave Jones Guest

    joking when i said I am the master, and that I agree that there are many
    ways of using autocad, i just wanted to bring up some contreveral stuff
    about autocad that would spark conversation that would be point proving by
    using examples. So i will start., the reason i believe paperspace to be the
    most efficient way to text in is that you don't have to make text layers for
    one, second when breaking out part plans lets just say on a architectual or
    plumbing plan, you don't have to make mulitple copies of xref. Everything is
    done one time with one drawing even with multiple floors,
    everything....(deep breath), is done once. Point being layers, layers are
    there to be used for these situations, we layer off mulitiple floors lets
    say in a bldg. for example, each floor has a set of layers, with in each
    floor you may want to blow up an area on the sheet. Hence viewports, now
    trying to cut a viewport and some how fit all the text in that view port
    with alot of drawing done in that blown up area can become extremely messy.
    So the way I do it is text it, dimension it and everytying else you can
    think of that has to do with text, is done in paper space. Tabs are sheets,
    each tab is a sheet. So this is only a small example of what I do, please
    feel free to ask questions or comment. Sorry if i offended anyone, probably
    should have worded things differently.

    no offense taken...I am a window wall/curtain wall designer. Most of my work
    entails doing initial through final design work for exterior glazed systems.
    When I'm doing system design I annotate in MS because the details are
    constantly changing and I don't want to have to jump back and forth from MS
    to PS to move/alter annotations to match MS changes. When I'm doing shop
    drawing work and have for instance, a multi story building that I'm doing
    floor plans to lay out curtain walls, I do what you do...have a different
    layer scheme for each level, XRef the parent plan drawing to the various
    output child drawings and annotate them in PS. I do the same for enlarged
    detail plans that are created from the parent drawing geometry...XRef,
    XClip, new Viewport, scale properly, then annotate, dimension, and add
    symbols in PS. Both ways are, for me, the quickest and most painless way to
    get the job done in each case.
    Dave
    DDP
     
    Dave Jones, Mar 18, 2005
    #44
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    Anne Brown Guest

    Dave -

    You've probably been here LONGER than I have ! If you have a
    newsgroup reader and look at the tree of messages, the post I
    made was not indented under your name but someone quite new.

    Anne
     
    Anne Brown, Mar 18, 2005
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    Dave Jones Guest

    that's because I'm old and you're young :) Hopefully our continuing
    discussion is now acceptable...Have a great weekend, maybe the ng traffic
    will slow a bit for you.
    Dave
     
    Dave Jones, Mar 18, 2005
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    lister@rfa Guest

    Jumping in pretty late in thread here, but we use PS for our drawing layouts and MS for the actual drawing. Here is the rules we follow from our standads manual:



    1 RFA Drawings will typically use both Paperspace (PS) and Modelspace (MS). The advantages of this are:

    a) PS is in realworld 1:1 units as the sheet will appear so all drawings will be plotted with the same settings
    b) Different components of the drawing can be moved easily as each will be in its own viewport.
    c) Multiple scales can be used on one drawing while keeping all the components drawn to scale.

    2 Modelspace: drawing elements representing construction components (xref’s, symbols, linework, etc) shall be in MS.

    3 Paperspace: drawing elements representing graphic components (detail bubbles, titleblock, barscales etc) or components requiring no scaling (legends, schedules etc.) shall be in paperspace. Viewports for MS components shall be on a layer named VPORTS and be set to NOPLOT in the layer dialogue box.
     
    lister@rfa, Mar 22, 2005
    #47
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    COVENANT777 Guest

    Ok that's all good, what about the text, where do you put that???
     
    COVENANT777, Mar 23, 2005
    #48
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