OT - the US is a lousy world citizen

[jjs]

Jonathan
I notice you didn't answer the question.


bill

I'm sorry - I thought my view was easy to infer -

There are no such things as objective news sources especially when it comes to documentaries - It is up to ones intelligence to decide what one thinks is plausible and what is not.

So - Is the BBC totally 'objective'? - undoubtable not , as it is an impossibility .

However if you could let me know of an 'objective' news source I'm all ears .

TTFN

Jonathan

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[rider89]

somewhat of a non-answer again.

how about:
do you consider BBC a "reasonably" objective news source?

the reason I have become very sceptical of documentaries in particular is demonstated by something I happened to catch on a primetime NBC News broadcast (in the US) during the Katrina coverage. An interviewer was doing a rather hostile piece with an official. After several exchanges, the official made what appeared to be a very embarrassing admission. Trouble with it was, that I happened also to catch a rather lengthy (live) piece the day before on a cable network, in which the same footage of the official occurred, but with a different NBC interviewer! As I said, this piece was lengthy, live, and covered many topics. The prime time broadcast had carefully edited clips to have the official answering an entirely different question. Several emails about this (with time, dates, reporters names, the works) were ignored by NBC news producers. Given that NBC is actually one of the better networks about being partisan, this was an eyeopener for me.

Bill

 

[John R. Carroll]

Now just a darn minute. Lord of the Rings was filmed there and I have friends there. NZ is not a back water in anything. You will find NZs in a lot of key places you would never expect. They carry their weight.

And don't forget Lucy Lawless. I think she was from NZ. Gotta get your warrior princess types somewhere after all.

 

[jjs]

somewhat of a non-answer again.

Are we playing 20 questions ?

how about:
do you consider BBC a "reasonably" objective news source?

yes - but the BBC is not just a news source - As this is a documentary made by one man with BBC funding, I would hazard a guess that BBC news editorial control was not excercised in this case. It is one mans polemic, so you can take it or leave it.

the reason I have become very sceptical of documentaries in particular is demonstated by something I happened to catch on a primetime NBC News broadcast (in the US) during the Katrina coverage. An interviewer was doing a rather hostile piece with an official. After several exchanges, the official made what appeared to be a very embarrassing admission. Trouble with it was, that I happened also to catch a rather lengthy (live) piece the day before on a cable network, in which the same footage of the official occurred, but with a different NBC interviewer! As I said, this piece was lengthy, live, and covered many topics. The prime time broadcast had carefully edited clips to have the official answering an entirely different question. Several emails about this (with time, dates, reporters names, the works) were ignored by NBC news producers. Given that NBC is actually one of the better networks about being partisan, this was an eyeopener for me.

Well I think one has to be careful what ever the news source - and try and see all sides of the arguement and then make up ones own mind - so give it a twirl I am sure the BBC can't brainwash you in just three episodes. Just try and ignore the subliminal messages from the Queen, but they are nanoseconds in length so I am sure you will be OK , but if you start having an urge for a cup of tea every 2 hours I would go to doctor as she might got through to you. Hey if you've got $5billion to blow each year you might as well make it do some good.

Just as a background, the BBC is a Public Corporation that gets its funding from TV licenses in the UK - every one who has a TV has to pay £120 ( I think - my wife pays!!) and if you don't pay you can get a criminal record. - so income from this alone is apprx 20m x £120 - £2,400,000 pa - (bugger thats a lot of ££) so anyway they don't need to pander to interest groups or the Government of the day. Thats the theory anyway.

Its quite facinating what the BBC puts out -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/

Do me a favour - If you can find the English translation to this I would be gratefull - I can't read Persian so who knows what they are spending my money on ! And the only Persian I know is " Zindabad Amerika" - which is not something you will find written down very often ;-)

TTFN

Jonathan

 

[jjs]

And don't forget Lucy Lawless. I think she was from NZ. Gotta get your warrior princess types somewhere after all.

And don't forget they provided both teams in the last final of the Americas Cup !!

Jonathan

 

[Muggs]

Has it occurred to you that people in the US, including the leadership are

not actually against protecting the environment, but have criteria as to how to go about it?

OOH, OOH, I can answer that. NO it never crossed his mind!!!

Muggs

 

[John R. Carroll]

wrote:

On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 18:36:02 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

> TOP wrote:
>> Now just a darn minute. Lord of the Rings was filmed there and I
>> have friends there. NZ is not a back water in anything. You will
>> find NZs in a lot of key places you would never expect. They carry
>> their weight.
>
> And don't forget Lucy Lawless. I think she was from NZ.
> Gotta get your warrior princess types somewhere after all.
>
...

I'd like to but guys like you keep wanting to rub it in...

 

[Muggs]

"the day was most likely saved by Bill Clinton"

Now that's funny!!!

Muggs

 

[John J]

Found those "WMDs" yet?

actually, yes:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08...103-4509023-4641450?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

-john

 

[John J]

actually, yes:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08...103-4509023-4641450?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

-john

 

[John J]

Gee, I thought Palestine was a lousy world citizen for letting its people cross into anlther country for the sole purpose of killing innocent people. Ditto for Syria and Iran. I thought Sudan was a lousy world citizen for killing millions of Christians and enslaving many more? Guess slavery doesn't show up on the radar as bad citizenship.

why I love the UN:
http://www.eyeontheun.org/
In a moment which includes commemorating suicide-bombers the Palestinian Foreign Minister, the Presidents of the Security Council and General Assembly, the Chairman of the sponsoring UN Committee, the Secretary General and two others, rise at the outset of the November 29th UN meeting with these opening words from the Chair. "I invite everyone present to rise and observe a minute of silence in memory of all those who have given their lives for the cause of the Palestinian people..."

Bear in mind these are the same people who applaud when Boy Clinton blames everything on the USA.

-john

 

[John J]

I sincerely hope you and yours have a nice Christmas and New Year, Bill regards neil

don't you mean a "Happy Holiday"?

i'm sick of your anti-islamic, anti-semitic bigotry.

-john

 

[John J]

He has problems with wheels too.
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/bush_segway.jpg Fell off a bicycle as well .....

if I recall, so did kerry....

 

[John J]

Prior to Sept 11 '01 there was no Al Q. This was an invention by the government. It seems to have grown since then, but initially it was a myth used to galvanise public support for governments around the world.

nothing else you say matters. I can safely ignore it.

This is such a load of crap, that if you really believe al-qaida didn't exist before 9/11 you are truly delusional.

-john

 

[John J]

did you see the "Katrina" south park episode?

On the scene reporter: We 're reporting massive instances of cannibalism?

Newsroom guy: My god, you've actually SEEN canibalism in the aftermath of this tradgedy?

Reporter: No, Jim...but, that's what we're _reporting._

Classic fraggin episode.

-john

p.s. i forget which one of the SP creators said it, but:
"I hate conservatives.
But I really fucking hate liberals."

 

[neil (archive)]

I don't know where that came from john but I hope you have a 'very happy holiday' too if you are having one at this time of year and I mean that as you can see by my friendly smiley face ) Lets not make things more complicated than they need be by imagining things. It was a generic goodwill phrase nothing more or less.Hello, goodbye, how are you, Merry Christmas whatever. Like all countries we have a mix of peoples and beliefs and we have no problem with that.
bye for now

 

[Cliff]

actually, yes:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/08...103-4509023-4641450?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

"Not worth the paper it's written on- regardless of your political leanings" The book's title says it all, eh? "Disiformation".

Found those "WMDs" yet?

 

[Cliff]

Before you go and start praising "Slick Willie" and the Democrats, you need
to look at what they do in conjunction with the US media. The Democratic
party has done more in the last 50 years to take the US closer to Communism
or Socialism than anybody else. They preach that the Government is the
solution for all of your woes and that personal responsibility for your life
does not exist.

If you look at the differences between Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, there is
a HUGE difference in what has happened to those communities. Personally I
am getting tired of the Katrina "victims" whining about the government not
GIVING them more. Why haven't they gone out and found their jobs? The
media keeps portraying them as victims of a government conspiracy, but they
are victims of their own slothfulness. I have little pity for many of them
because they were warned to leave, and didn't. Now that re-construction is
going on, they are whining that other people have come in and are getting
jobs doing the cleanup and construction. Where were they when the jobs
first opened? Those people are living in a welfare state, where the
Democrats rule, and keep the people poor. The democrats and the media have
been telling the minorities that they are disadvantaged and need "special"
help. Since they have been told this for so long, they believe it and now
don't believe they can get anywhere without government assistance.

By the way, when it comes to the reasoning behind why we went into Iraq,
Bush was going off of information left to him by Bill Clinton and the
Democrats.

In some of your posts, you state that you get your news from sources outside
the US, well, you don't take a balanced approach to learning the truth, you
only go after what you believe in. For example, if you want reporting that
is 100% against the US, go to Al-Jazera (sp?). While they report "the
news", it is tainted with their own view points. So, if you read your news
from many of the mainstream media outlets, no matter what country you get it
from, you need to look at their position on things.

 

[Cliff]

OOH, OOH, I can answer that. NO it never crossed his mind!!!

Those toxins are actually much needed vitamins.
And some "god" will just make more oil for the fundies.

 

[Cliff]

quite a persuasive case and and
interesting angle on the rise of Al qaida and its very close ties with the US military in the war in Afghanistan.

They were a creation of the US/CIA by ronnie raygun & bush to begin with. Bush was even in a meeting with bin Ladens (business partners) on 9-11 and they all had a good view of events. Honored guests at their compounds as well. Cheney, Bush & Rumsfeld were with Saddam til he bought things from the wrong vendors (probably due to better bids and accounting required) ...