Offsite Pro/E Design Services

Hello,

Here to fill your Pro/E needs. Very affordable rates. Design, drafting,
drawings, assemblies, 2D to 3D coversions, etc. Over 11 years of Pro/E
design/drafting experience in the telecom, aerospace, oil and
gas,industiral furniture and consumer product fields. Currently using
Wildfire 2.0. Feel free to email me anytime for any questions and/or
quotes.

Regards,

Neal Milligan

 

I kinda like my industrial designers to be able to spell the word, if
you dig. Picky I know, but that's just me.

 

While that's an amusing point, I prefer that my designers have the
professional courtesy to no post commercial ads on a user-support
forum.

Dave

 

Neal Milligan seems to be on friendly terms with the English language. Don't
think that's a very solid basis for criticizing him. I just mind incontinent
opportunists who just stop here to take a dump. And my invitation remains
for them to take their perfectly worded spam elsewhere.

David Janes

 

It's a valid point and completely within the norms of Usenet that our
user-supported forums frown on commercialism. In fact, anyone lurking here
for a short time can see that this isn't a marketplace. No one is coming
here selling design services or looking for work, because no one is looking
here for that kind of help. Users come here looking for help with USING
Pro/e, not buying other people's services. And they come to this kind of
outfit because the help is free, also not conducisve to selling. So, you've
got to wonder what someone is missing who comes here advertising such
services for sale. Maybe they don't "get it"? Maybe they're a little slow?
Maybe they've got their heads in the clouds? Simply showing up here to
advertise seems to me like an admission of some type or degree of
incompetence.

But, that's not even my biggest problem with the "advertisers". I don't
think I'd mind a bit if they were community spirited, if they were regular
participants, if they helped out on occassion, if they made any contribution
to the community. For example, if Geesaman came here, after years of service
to the Pro/e community, and said that he needed help (with finding work,
with finding customers, you name it), lots of people would willingly help in
any way they could. On the other hand, Googling 'neal milligan' turns up
approximately one message ~ his grand opening announcement. Not much in the
way of community participation there, Neal. And pretty much of a thumbing
your nose at the community and its lowly, meager efforts since you've just
announced that your most professional help is available only on a
fee-for-service basis. I guess we're warned not to expect much help from you
since it's available only to those willing to pay for it. Thanks, Neal, for
the upfront admission of your opportunism, i.e., that you're willing to take
the "opportunity" of this group's existence to help yourself and not it. On
the other hand, I'd have to eat my words (some of them, anyway, after some
months or years) if you suddenly started helping out around here. Nothing
stopping you from doing that, Neal. In fact, there's much precedent for it:
many users, who were also in business, have been very active in the
community, writing articles, participating in local user groups, presenting
to PTC/USER annual meetings. My first Pro/e teacher at Elgin Community
College, Ken Raczek, ran his own design business while also serving for
years as President of the Chicago Pro/e Users' Group. It was a strain on
him, but people flocked to him because he was sharp, people knew him and
wanted to work with him. It didn't hurt his business a bit that people knew
him as a hard working, eager and entusiastic, community spirited guy. You
could find much worse to emulate.

David Janes