NOW will we see SW for Linux?

Now that Linux is apparently ready for the desktop:

http://slashdot.org/articles/03/07/02/227248.shtml?tid=147&tid=187
http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7084
http://linuxtoday.com/it_management/2003070202226NWDPHW

HP thinks Linux is ready for desktop users. And Mandrake9.1 is REALLY good.

Well, SW? I'm waiting.

(I think bobz. is, too.)

-nick e.

 

Maybe they don't want to lose thier 'credits' at Microsoft.
With 2004 they have almost everything to migrate to different OS. But
still some features depent on ms stuf.

Beside the linux version of solidworks I would like to have a linux
version for edrawing and edrawing plugins for non ie browsers.

Johnny

 

I highly doubt it.

Jim S.

 

bob z. has been using mandrake 9.1 ever since RC1 came out. it is awesome.
IceWM is the only way to fly.
offtopic, but bob z. has a little home network with 3 computers attached.
bob z.'s computer is dual-booting window$ and mandrake. the other two are
winxp (the m.e. of nt). bob z. didn't have to do a single thing but click
the mouse a couple times to browse the other computer's contents from the
mandrake box. mandrake just plain rocks.
bob z. would buy a seat of solidworks if it would run natively in linux.

less money wasted on the O.S. is better spent on the cad software. is
anybody listening?
--
bob z.
p.s.

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©

 

well, I've tried to install RedHAt 8 and let me tell you
that it is not the easiest thing on earth.

-it's extremely partition / HD specific. 2 days wasted on that.
-if you want a linux that is geared for your cpu, you have
to recompile and watch out ... a few days nightmare
make clean, make mrproper, make dep, try to configure
(in front of a panel with 100options or more), make bzImage,
make modules....3 days wasted on that
-installing/recompiling a software > go command line
-Redhat keeps sending me errata email, quite a lot, about bugs
-video drivers are very limitated, installing them is badly documented.
-ram management is rather weird, and gets clogged quickly.
-file browser sucks
-wouldn't play my mp3?!
-assigning file security is complicated

and it's not mind blowing fast at all, even a bit slower to start
any app than my current XP setup.

I think you got to try it to really see that it worth, and that
it's not the easy Windows we are used to...

no so sure my grandma would love to recompile her kernel


Dom

 

redhat 8.0 was by far the easiest for bob z. to install. no thinking, just
doing.

partition? of course! HD specific? what do you mean? brand? type? size?

get the proper iso and you won't need to recompile. nightmare? how?

so... try a different distro! :~)>

is this a bad thing? how often are you updated or even notified of major
blunders, holes, bugs, issues, etc. from big brother gate$?

no argument there. shame...

big bad gate$ doesn't understand the difference between hard drive space and
ram.

now, now. personal opinion shouldn't be necessary. lets stay subjective,
shall we? ever see opera? www.opera.com

redhat is nervous about copyright issues...

read the manual!

so, how much money is gate$ paying you to spread this FUD?

neither would mine, so she doesn't.

--
bob z.
p.s.

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©:

 

Erm, how is this any worse than Windows where you don't even have the
option of tailoring the OS to your specific hardware? Do you think that
Windows is somehow optimizing itself for your hardware in the
background? Put quite simply, that doesn't happen.

Why are you not using RPMs or binary distributions? Just because most
software for Linux is available as source doesn't mean it isn't
available in other formats as well. Incidentally, if some Windows
program was available as source, you wouldn't even have the tools
required to compile it. All Linux distributions give you those tools
for free.

Yep. You find out about them shortly after they are discovered, as
opposed to waiting for the next service pack. Since October of 2002, I
have 130 security related emails from Mandrake Linux. Every time I
receive one, I fire up Mandrake Update and immediately install the
available fix. No more difficult that Windows Update and much more
verbose in terms of information about the fix.

The fault there lies with the video card manufacturers. They, much like
CAD vendors, think propietary software is somehow helpful. I have a
video card that is anything but mainstream, and Linux supports it with
no problem.

I think you don't know what you are talking about. Linux memory
management is *different* than Windows memory management. If you don't
understand the differences, claiming that it is 'weird' or that it 'gets
clogged' is likely inaccurate.

Which one? You have your choice of several. Personally, I don't use
one. The command line is much better for file management.

Highly unlikely. There are many MP3 players available. Mandrake comes
with several, and I suspect RedHat is the same.

File security is a complicated subject. Windows would have you
*believe* otherwise. If you investigate the number of virii Linux is
susceptible to in comparison to Windows, you'll find that Linux has next
to zero virii problems. The superior file security of Linux is the
primary reason it has so few virii problems. In Linux, *everything* is
a file. Therefore, better file security means better overall security.

Which apps have you tried that run on both? That's really the only fair
comparison you can make. Anything else is comparing applications, not
operating systems. Furthermore, startup time is a sily way to compare.
How much time do you spend starting apps as opposed to using them?

It can be as easy as Windows. In fact, out of the box it genreally is.
The places where Linux becomes more difficult are the places that
Windows won't even let you explore.

There is absoultely no reason she would ever need to. Just as you never
need to recompile your Windows kernel. Oh wait, you can't. Nevermind.


Jim S.

 

I know there are some guru here, like those who replied, but
my comments are base on what i've experienced and felt trying
to install a linux *Distro*, that is redhat.

overall I didn't like the experience and i'm not a starter in
OS installation, so my point is that thing is far from beeing ready
to get mainstream. I was talking with a linux dude every day trying
to fix problems....

my pc with winXP is quite well optimised by default, which is not
the case with redhat. Starting that olg cow netscape just crawl
over 10 sec in redhat80, while it's alive in 5 sec easily under Winnie.
and the rest is just has laggy, on a DUAL 1800mhz, 1gig of ram machine????

I'm not a fan of BillyG, but trying to complain about is OS after
what I've experienced is difficult.


hey bob, have a Smirnoff Ice and relax

Dom

 

Yah, on the server side I see the point of linux
Althought I would require a course to set it up nicely,
it seems to be the standard for a no problemos network.


and you remind me I forgot to say that the default gnome
file browser do crashes here and there. ohhhhh 8O

I'm still waiting to talk with my guru about my future with
this LInux trial, on issues like > my printer, my scanner,
my digital cam, my video cam, my firewire drive? how do I get
them alive?

maybe I should try OS/2 warp next?

or get an Amiga emulator... hummm that would be sweet.

Dom

 

If you look at the changes and look at Catia you see a lot in common.
Take in mind that catia came from Unix the knowlegde of porting should
be availible. Of course the latest catia version was for MS.

keep asking for a linux version.

btw have you tried the upload function from de beta problem report with
a no microsoft browser? Mozilla didn't work with me.

Johnny

 

for those of you who are interested M$ are now running courses on how to
effectively compete with linux

http://members.microsoft.com/partner/training/learningcenter/default.aspx

 

Only for the real brave, you have to sign for a MS Passport...

 

had a couple over the weekend. :~)>
no hard feelings...
it's all in fun!

--
bob z.
p.s.

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©

 

If you're looking for a 2D & 3D CAD package that actually runs on
LINUX, go check out www.varicad.com
They have a version for several different distros. It's not free, but
they have a free trial download file and it's only 7.5 to 8.5 Mb's.
They also have a Viewer and a Tutorial for download.

I know it's not Solisworks, but it's worth checking out to see what it
would be like to use a 3D CAD package in LINUX.

Richard

 

Richard Charney quipped:

i looked at that briefly a while ago, and really didn't care for it too
much.

-nick e.

 

Snip

Well, I just wasted a couple of days (more than two, less than three, so
far...) giving my computer a new mother board and upgrading from Win2K to
XP. We finally gave up on the upgrade and did a new install of XP.

It's a computer. It's going to screw with your mind. It's going to seduce
you and then leave you crying. It's the nature of the beast.

Jerry Steiger