Note to Autodesk ...

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by michael puckett, Apr 28, 2004.

  1. [opinion]

    <Hello Anne, I'm hoping you don't axe this.>

    It has been suggested that there *MAY* be a move within
    the Autodesk camp to eliminate the nntp based newsgroups
    and instead develop and pour even MORE funds into the
    <cough> web hosted newgroups.

    I don't mean to start rumors, be chicken little or even a
    drama queen, but if there is ANY truth to this I just want
    to clear and have you (the desk) understand, that my parti-
    cipation here will reduce to a mere trickle (I recognize
    this may cause some cheering; thas alright) if this comes
    to fruition.

    <Oh no, what if that's what they want?!>

    Who on earth convinced you all that the web hosted news
    groups were better, preferred or effective?

    Was it an ... enterprising web development team perhaps?

    They simply are not. Not a single person I've talked to
    about this thinks it would be an improvement or "a good

    Mind you none of them are web developers at Autodesk or have
    vested interests in web based advertising to pollute our
    viewing space either. But I digress.

    Amongst other things, and just just off the top of my head,
    I can say that the web side is inferior to the nntp side
    because the interface is clunky and slow, you cannot peruse
    and graze as quickly, the search engine is under powered,
    you cannot keep a cache of select threads without copy /
    paste / filing calisthenics, formatting is a pain, the
    thread hierarchy is difficult to impossible to discern in
    the average sized conversation ...

    .... and on and on ... <don't get me going> ...

    In short PLEASE do not kill the nntp side.

    I recognize there needs to be a web web side, for presence
    and those poor sots that don't have news readers, but lordy,
    I do believe there are far more of us that use the nntp side
    than the web side.

    An aside ... do you need a good, free news reader? Check out
    ThunderBird: It is excellent.

    To close, thank you for taking the time to consider my thoughts,
    as negative as they may be. Sorry, I know that's generally the
    way I come across. Really, I'm not mean spirited. Thanks for
    hearing what I have to say and not necessarilly how I say it.

    ~ ~ ~

    If the intrepid newsgrouper has any thoughts on this topic
    I'd let the desk know what they are. Who knows, maybe my
    opinion is contrary to the masses. Perhaps you feel the
    opposite. Better share your opinion, lest I speak for you.
    Akkk, surely you don't want that.


    <Betting this gets yanked.>



    michael puckett, Apr 28, 2004
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  2. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo........*cough*

    See ya, if that happens.

    HTML based newsgroups, do indeed, SUCK. Sorry.


    Matt Stachoni, Apr 28, 2004
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  3. michael puckett

    Doug Broad Guest

    They asked for your opinion, right?

    NNTP is easier to use. G'nite.
    Doug Broad, Apr 28, 2004
  4. Laurie Comerford, Apr 28, 2004
  5. michael puckett

    Jamie Duncan Guest

    NNTP is easier to use. G'nite.

    For who?

    I side with Michael on this one.

    Jamie Duncan

    Jamie Duncan, Apr 28, 2004
  6. michael puckett

    arkatek Guest

    Ditto here also...

    Ted Hicks

    After *Matt Stachoni* tickled the keyboard
    the following text showed up here:
    arkatek, Apr 28, 2004
  7. michael puckett

    Doug Broad Guest

    Uhhmm. Didn't read that one too well huh?
    I also agree with Michael.
    Doug Broad, Apr 28, 2004
  8. michael puckett

    Jamie Duncan Guest

    Oops, sorry Doug!

    Yes, I still agree with Michael, and now you as well...

    Jamie Duncan

    "How wrong it is for a woman to expect the man to build the world she wants,
    rather than to create it herself."
    - Anais Nin (1903-1977)
    Jamie Duncan, Apr 28, 2004
  9. ditto

    Daniel Bennett, Apr 28, 2004
  10. michael puckett

    Jeff Mishler Guest

    I couldn't have said it better.

    I have used the web side a few times, but only when messages aren't
    synch'ing between the two. I have found it to be very cumbersome compared to
    the nntp side.

    If Adesk really wants to use a web interface, maybe they should re-think
    thier position of VBDesign linking to here. The VbDesign interface is much
    better than the one currently in use by Adesk and would require much less
    work on the part of the Adesk staff. In fact, I still don't know why they
    made VBDesign pull the link when Google, Yahoo, etc. still are linked.

    Autodesk, stick with the nntp news and outsource the Web interface if you

    Jeff Mishler

    Jeff Mishler, Apr 28, 2004
  11. michael puckett

    David Kozina Guest

    Egads. Sometimes I surprise myself.

    When I was reading through Survey Monkey's questions, this same thought
    occurred to me as well...

    ..../smarmy-like/ 'have you by any chance noticed how *superiorly* the
    web-based interface has been working these past 6 seconds - er, hours - uh,
    *months* - yeah, *months* - *that's* the ticket...'

    While I didn't provide nearly as many reasons as you did, Michael, one thing
    I did mention is that I've found it next to impossible to read with any type
    of understanding some of the horrid looking proportional-font web-based code
    snips when I've had to try to research any answers - which I really do try
    to do before posting new questions here. It's usually ended up being an
    exercise in futility. At least in Outlook, I can set things up so that the
    text appears with some sane font, like Courier. Yeah, I could probably do
    some copying and pasting, but I view doing *that* as an additional and
    unwanted step, when all I'm often looking for is information - not unlike
    having to electronically scan a dictionary page before I can proceed to
    actually read some definition.

    Another thing I often find myself doing is sorting alphabetically by
    subject, looking for some quick info on subjects that begin with, say,
    'gradient hatches', etc. - also by author. I do this *alot*. How can this
    be done on the web side of things?... "<-Previous 50 threads Next 50

    Thanks very much for posting your comments on this.
    They are much more eloquent and comprehensive than my own.

    I've never used the web-based interface except for generally lengthy and/or
    futile information search attempts - and I wouldn't even use it for *that*
    except for the fact that every time I've taken the time to finally download
    the 150,000 headers or so (for this group) into Outlook, something at
    Autodesk's end of things gets hosed, oh, about a day later, thereby forcing
    a reset. But, mind you, I'm not bitter about it. I finally just gave up on
    hording such a vast reservoir of sortable headers. 'Tis a pity, though,

    And all I can say about about anyone deciding to leave (should that ever
    happen) is I hope they'll be so kind as to let me know where they're heading
    off to...

    Best regards,
    David Kozina
    David Kozina, Apr 28, 2004
  12. michael puckett

    Jürg Menzi Guest

    Why using this slow and ineffective web hosted scrap?
    Nntp based newsgroups are fast and easy to use!!

    Jürg Menzi, Apr 28, 2004
  13. michael puckett

    Joe Burke Guest

    I agree with Michael too.

    Joe Burke
    Joe Burke, Apr 28, 2004
  14. I agree with Michael. Just say no to the web side. NTTP is the way to go.

    Daniel J. Altamura, R.A.
    Altamura Architectural Consulting
    and SoftWorx, Autodesk Authorized Developer

    Daniel J. Altamura, R.A., Apr 28, 2004
  15. michael puckett

    Anne Brown Guest

    Michael -

    This message thread won't be removed as it would only add fuel to
    the rumor. I urge any of you to answer the survey adn state any
    feelings on NNTP or HTTP access in the comments section.

    Note to all - no one who has any inside information on ANY aspect
    of how Autodesk manages ANY of its policies, software decisions,
    future releases, etc. etc. would ever speak in public. Take this
    thread as rumor.
    Anne Brown, Apr 28, 2004
  16. michael puckett

    OLD-CADaver Guest

    I agree that the web-based forums are, at best, a pain in the nether regions. But for some of us that is the only interface we to which we have access. The firewall/email protocol in place here prevents access to the nntp side of these forums. And while losing my charming personality may be good reason to drop the web-based side, there may be others in the same boat and their loss may be detrimental to the value of these forums.

    IMMHO, it would be an improvement if the web-based side was made to emulate the nntp side, with cascading post headings (with authors) highlighted by read/unread. You know, sorta like it was prior to the latest "improvements".
    OLD-CADaver, Apr 28, 2004
  17. michael puckett

    Anne Brown Guest

    Remarks in this message group and the one in ACAD 2005 have been
    gathered and passed to the team performing the survey.
    Anne Brown
    Discussion Groups Administrator
    Autodesk, Inc.
    Anne Brown, Apr 28, 2004
  18. michael puckett

    J. Logan Guest

    I've been on both sides of the fence as far as use on this one. No way I
    would ever go back to web based.

    J. Logan
    J. Logan, Apr 28, 2004
  19. While I agree with majority of outspoken on this thread that the web-based
    NG is slow and cumbersome, I would never want AutoDesk to take away someone
    else's only means of access. Likewise, I hope they don't take away my faster
    access. I found out many years ago there is more than one way to "create the
    same drawing" (politically uncorrect = "skin a cat"). I have lived by the
    premise, that AutoCAD customization (in any form) is the only way to go.
    Anything that increases my productivity is a plus. I would hope AutoDesk
    realizes that anything that decreases productivity is a detriment to all.
    Alan Henderson @ A'cad Solutions, Apr 28, 2004
  20. michael puckett

    ECCAD Guest

    For what it's worth. I like the Web Side.
    Bob Shaw
    ECCAD, Apr 28, 2004
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