Hi everyone, long time no see, :) I've moved into the realm of acad mechanical now and I'm attempting to insert part refs and balloons using vba (acad mech 2004 dx). the refs work fine, the balloons insert without error. The problem is, they're not visible. If I run a list/all, I get a message at the command prompt telling me "2 were not in current space". I continue with the list and the balloons are listed. I've tried setting the visible property to true, regen, app.update, looked in paper space........ I'm under the impression there have been problems with balloons in vba. Is this a problem or have I missed something? -josh