I am sure most of you know about what happened last June. Verizon and many other providers shut down almost all of the newsgroups. A popular one was alt.cad.autocad. I am hoping that the group where we are now will be a good substitute. All the alt.* groups are gone, eventhough in the initial Verizon email, they said that the alt.* would be part of the Big Eight. They have now revised the list and all the alt.* has been eliminated. S. Smith