Lock toolbar?

[Jasenka]

Hello!
I have a problem with toolbar "object properties" in ACAD menu group. I added one more button to it - properties. Every time I open map 6, toolbar isn't where I put it last time. I tried exporting and importing that profile (*.arg), but every time is the same. Is there any way to lock a toolbar? Shouldn't acad.mns change every time I change positions or contents of anything on the screen?

Jasenka

 

[BillZ]

The .mns will not change if there is a .mnc file that matches.

From the help files:
If an MNS file is found, AutoCAD looks for a compiled menu (MNC) file of the same name in the same directory. If AutoCAD finds a matching MNC file with the same or later date and time as the MNS file, it loads the MNC file. Otherwise, AutoCAD compiles the MNS file, generating a new MNC file in the same directory, and loads that MNC file.

Try deleting the .mnc file.

Bill

 

[Tom Smith]

Try deleting the .mnc file.

Wrong, read your own post. If the mns has been modified since the last compilation (mns has later date than mnc), then Acad will automatically recompile the newer mnc, when it opens. Yoiu can force a recompilation, if the mns has changed, simply by closing and reopening Acad. If you're in a hurry you can use the menu or menuload commands to force a recompilation right now. In either case it isn't necessary to delete the mnc or mnr files, as they are always overwritten on compilation.

I think the positioning of toolbars is a separate issue. I don't know about map6, but lots of people have complained about toolbars not staying where they put them. I think it had something to do with Acad placing its toolbars before it places custom ones -- there are some arrangements that just won't seem to "stick."

The .mns will not change if there is a .mnc file that matches.

From the help files:
If an MNS file is found, AutoCAD looks for a compiled menu (MNC) file of

the same name in the same directory. If AutoCAD finds a matching MNC file with the same or later date and time as the MNS file, it loads the MNC file. Otherwise, AutoCAD compiles the MNS file, generating a new MNC file in the same directory, and loads that MNC file.

 

[Ken Alexander]

I've had to delete the mnc and mnr files to get toolbar changes to take affect. Simple changing the mns file doesn't get it done.

 

[Tom Smith]

Whatever you say. "Simply changing the mns" has worked perfectly for me from R14 through 2004, since I've been managing custom menus stored locally, for about 25 users. When I change the custom menu I simply redistribute the mns file. It recompiles automatically, exactly as the help file describes, the next time Acad is opened. Impatient types can use menulaod to force a recompilation without exiting Acad. So I've seen a few hundred successful recompilations by this method in the last year alone, and there has never been a case where anything had to be deleted first. As the manual says, the recompilation is automatic when the mns is more recent than the mnc.

 

[Ken Alexander]

After I posted I did a test.

1. Modified the mns to add a button.
2. Restarted Acad, no new button.
3. Used Menuload, no new button.
4. Delete mnc & mnr, New button after restart.

I have no idea why it doesn't work for me. I learned of deleting those two files from this group. Others are having the same problems.
Wonder why?

 

[BillZ]

What you say is true if Jasenka is manually changing the .mns. But according to the post Jasenka is asking if the .mns gets changed through making changed through the interface. By looking in the file explorer it doesn't although I see the changes the next time I start AutoCAD. So I am thinking it gets saved to the registery or somewhere else.

Bill

 

[Tom Smith]

Yes, as I said, I think the positioning is a separate issue. I remember seeing some posts on toolbars not staying in position, having to do with the order in which they're loaded. I know there have been some arrangements that won't "stick" for me, back as far as R14. For instance, I can't put a custom toolbar to the left or above an Acad toolbar.

What you say is true if Jasenka is manually changing the .mns. But according to the post Jasenka is asking if the .mns gets changed

through making changed through the interface.

By looking in the file explorer it doesn't although I see the changes the

next time I start AutoCAD. So I am thinking it gets saved to the registery or somewhere else.

 

[Tom Smith]

Who knows? Deleting the mnc and mnr will certainly work to force a recompilation. Perhaps it needs to be a new date as opposed to just a later time to trigger the automatic recompile.

 

[JB]

Positions of toolbars are saved in window's registry, so you can change it by modifying them (screen coordinates).
JB

 

[James Maeding]

As far as the toolbars moving, here is exactly why it happens:

Acad displays toolbars in the order the menus are loaded. If it encounters a toolbar that is supposed to be on the third row, but no third rows exist, it puts the toolbar on the second row. This causes the pileup of toolbars being shifted around.

I have asked them to fix this as there is no workaround! Profile exports and imports are irrelevent to the subject, the info in the registry is not the problem. Acad does a great job of recording where stuff is supposed to be, it just has problems putting it there.

"Jasenka"
|>Hello!
|>I have a problem with toolbar "object properties" in ACAD menu group. I |>added one more button to it - properties. Every time I open map 6, toolbar |>isn't where I put it last time. I tried exporting and importing that profile |>(*.arg), but every time is the same. Is there any way to lock a toolbar? |>Shouldn't acad.mns change every time I change positions or contents of |>anything on the screen? |> |>Jasenka |>

James Maeding
Civil Engineer/Programmer

 

[BillZ]

Thanks James,

For clearing that up.

Bill