Is there a SQUIGGLE tool ?

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by MONCIA, May 19, 2004.

  1. MONCIA

    N33W117 Guest

    Maybe because he already has Autocad? Maybe because he knows how to use it
    and is good at it? Maybe because it works and that is what he wants to use?
    Maybe because it works better than anything else? Maybe because he is to
    cheap to buy more software? Maybe just to P^%^ you off!

    Also, here is the answer to your question: "Now, yes, I could use one of the
    many sketch type programs out there, but, too often, I have a stage or
    building in the background, and, when there are radiating lines, it is
    almost impossible to sketch them convincingly. With AutoCAD, I trace a line
    along the eave, another along the base and then 0-fillet these lines to get
    a vanishing point. I then can stretch-copy these lines, which radiate quite
    accurately. "


    that easier and cheaper?
     
    N33W117, May 20, 2004
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  2. MONCIA

    Robert Davis Guest

    I've tried Freehand. I think it looks terrible, because there's no variation
    or nuances in the generated linework. It looks like somebody took a CAD
    drawing and squiggled the lines in a uniform and mechanical fashion, which
    isn't human, artistic nor eye appealing, IMO.

    To each their own.

    --
    Robert Davis
    QC/CMM Dept.


    E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
    804 Via Alondra
    Camarillo, Ca 93012
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    to thank Harold Leveritt for providing the freehand.lsp, which works
    wonderfully. Old-CADaver had wondered why one might spend energy and time
    on being less precise. I agree with the concept. I daily use AutoCAD for
    precise drafting every day. But, almost "secretly", I lately have been
    using AutoCAD for some artwork. I take electronic files of photos and
    insert them into AutoCAD. I then sketch over them. Now, yes, I could use
    one of the many sketch type programs out ther, but, too often, I have a
    stage or building in the background, and, when there are radiating lines, it
    is almost impossible to sketch them convincingly. With AutoCAD, I trace a
    line along the eave, another along the base and then 0-fillet these lines to
    get a vanishing point. I then can stretch-copy these lines, which radiate
    quite accurately. I had been hand sketching these scenes for year, but,
    when I put a line down in ink on drawing paper, it is there for good. In
    AutoCAD, I can change the line, I can move it, erase it, to a particular
    lineweight, to a dashed line, a dotted line, and on and on. If I wish to
    move a figure closer, I can scale him up. I can use wipeout with the figure
    so I can move him around without a lot of trimming & extending. Once
    framed, I don't need to tell any admirer of my work that it was done on a
    computer. Anyway, for some time now, I had been using plines to get a wavy
    look. Now, with the freehand.lsp, I can mess-up the lines to make them look
    handrawn. Such is another of many uses for which AutoCAD can be utilized.
    Again, a wonderful program. Read Ya Later -KLYPH
     
    Robert Davis, May 20, 2004
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  3. MONCIA

    OLD-CADaver Guest

    Dude, untwist yer panties, I was just asking a question. There are several programs available that do just that only faster and easier, at a fraction of the cost of AutoCAD. You know kind of a job for a tool and a tool for a job. But this is a whole different idea than the "squiggle" concept, anyway.
     
    OLD-CADaver, May 21, 2004
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  4. MONCIA

    KLYPH Guest

    I have been using other graphics & sketch programs. They don't allow the easy creation of numerous vanishing points, that result from objects not being square to each other. They don't allow the precision that is inherent in AutoCAD. They are usually "freehand" even when drawing straight lines. You can't choose the exact starting point of a line, as you can with AutoCAD. You can't divide up a line, or, measure along a line. The lineweights & linetypes are primitive compared to AutoCAD. As for being cheaper, yes, they are cheaper, but, I also have AutoCAD, so, there is no further costs. Keep an eye out for this topic and next week I will post a "sketch" that I am currently working on for the Kerrville Folk Festival, which begins next Thursday here in Central Texas. It is of my wife's band as she was singing there last year. When the band members are in bad poses in the main photo, you will see how I sketch over other photos to make blocks of the individual band members for insertion in the main sketch. Read Ya Later -KLYPH
     
    KLYPH, May 21, 2004
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  5. MONCIA

    KLYPH Guest

    You are right in your assessment of "Freehand." At first, I got very bad results, but, I perservered and played with varying the "scale" and the "wiggle" enough to get satisfactory results from a "free" program.
     
    KLYPH, May 21, 2004
    #25
  6. Interesting--keep us posted
     
    Harold Leveritt, May 21, 2004
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  7. MONCIA

    EIEIO Guest

    Gotta Texas friend we went to Winfield with who has been trying to drag us
    to Kerrville. Gonna have to make it. Have you made Woodyfest in Okhema?
    Whats the name of your wifes band?

    easy creation of numerous vanishing points, that result from objects not
    being square to each other. They don't allow the precision that is inherent
    in AutoCAD. They are usually "freehand" even when drawing straight lines.
    You can't choose the exact starting point of a line, as you can with
    AutoCAD. You can't divide up a line, or, measure along a line. The
    lineweights & linetypes are primitive compared to AutoCAD. As for being
    cheaper, yes, they are cheaper, but, I also have AutoCAD, so, there is no
    further costs. Keep an eye out for this topic and next week I will post a
    "sketch" that I am currently working on for the Kerrville Folk Festival,
    which begins next Thursday here in Central Texas. It is of my wife's band
    as she was singing there last year. When the band members are in bad poses
    in the main photo, you will see how I sketch over other photos to make
    blocks of the individual band members for insertion in the main sketch.
    Read Ya Later -KLYPH
     
    EIEIO, May 21, 2004
    #27
  8. MONCIA

    Robert Davis Guest

    That's good. Free is good. :)

    --
    Robert Davis
    QC/CMM Dept.


    E.A.S. Manufacturing Co., Inc.
    804 Via Alondra
    Camarillo, Ca 93012
    805-987-3665 Voice
    805-987-7948 Fax
    - General E-Mail
    www.easmfg.com - Web Site

    results, but, I perservered and played with varying the "scale" and the
    "wiggle" enough to get satisfactory results from a "free" program.
     
    Robert Davis, May 21, 2004
    #28
  9. MONCIA

    KLYPH Guest

    My wife & band is Karen Abrahams & Reckless Abandon. Her last name is Swedish and pronounced "Abrams" probably because it was so cold in Sweden. Check-out karenabrahams.com. The Kerrville Folk Festival is the largest & longest in the U.S. It starts next Thursday and is 18 days long. This year's the 33rd. The first time I went was in 1973. Obviously, I am almost as old as OLD-CADaver.
     
    KLYPH, May 21, 2004
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  10. MONCIA

    OLD-CADaver Guest

    <<The first time I went was in 1973. Obviously, I am almost as old as OLD-CADaver. >>

    My first time there was '74, that's the year I moved to Houston. We went nearly every year for long time, but haven't been in the 10 or 11 years, too busy.

    Old beats the alternative.
     
    OLD-CADaver, May 21, 2004
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  11. MONCIA

    EIEIO Guest

    Have ya been to Winfield?

    nearly every year for long time, but haven't been in the 10 or 11 years, too
    busy.
     
    EIEIO, May 21, 2004
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  12. MONCIA

    KLYPH Guest

    I will be there this year making sketches & taking photos, both of which I will scan into AutoCAD and finish up. There are three generations at Kerrville now. Our oldest granddaughter is 18 this year. There are a lot of balding-white-haired-ponytailed men there. I cut off my ponytail 2 years ago. I figured that not only was it the 21st Century, it was now the 3rd Millenium and I better catch up with the times. An times have changed since the original days. Now, the Kerrville Phone Company has a motorhome there full of computers for all the new hippies to go on-line. A lot more wheel-chair ramps will be necessary for us older ones. You should visit and see how the 21st Century treats the music world. This years staring group is one you may remember: Peter, Paul, & Mary. I am seriously using AutoCAD for my sketches, with precision and DETAIL that is not possible with my old hand sketches. My last hand-sketch was done while my wife was singing at the Old Settlers Music Festival in Dripping Springs last month. I was sitting on the ground, legs crossed, sketching on the back of a notepad sheet of phone messages, with my knee as the drawing board. While it did look good, I have since scanned it into AutoCAD and have straightened up the perspective lines and made a wonderful version. Since then, I said I will use AutoCAD from now on. Read Ya Later -KLYPH
     
    KLYPH, May 21, 2004
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  13. MONCIA

    OLD-CADaver Guest

    <<Have ya been to Winfield?>>

    Not for the festival, but picked up a hammered dulcimer there in '78.

    Anne's gonna dump this off-topic stuff as soon as she finds it, so let's get back to the bickering ;-)
     
    OLD-CADaver, May 21, 2004
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  14. MONCIA

    Anne Brown Guest

    Leaving the Friday chatter (for a little while longer since it is
    such a joy to see ya'll being nice to each other) but ALL the
    bickering is GONE. It certainly takes a lot of work time to
    "police" personal nastiness. Take it to email please - all of
    you!
     
    Anne Brown, May 21, 2004
    #34
  15. MONCIA

    KLYPH Guest

    My having a steady job as an AutoCAD-drafting-Architect prevents me from attending all the wonderful festivals that my wife gets to go to. I haven't made Windfield yet. Maybe this year. She'll be teaching music theory for a few days at a college seminar in Kansas in September. Read Ya Later -KLYPH
     
    KLYPH, May 21, 2004
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  16. MONCIA

    KLYPH Guest

    Anne, I do understand and appreciate your work. So, how does one take the discussions to e-mail? I don't see any addresses listed, or, am I missing the obvious?
    Read Ya Later -KLYPH
     
    KLYPH, May 21, 2004
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  17. MONCIA

    OLD-CADaver Guest

    <<My having a steady job as an AutoCAD-drafting-Architect prevents me from attending all the wonderful festivals that my wife gets to go to. I haven't made Windfield yet. Maybe this year. She'll be teaching music theory for a few days at a college seminar in Kansas in September.>>

    Cool, a wife that's a musician. Mine just looks at all the stuff laying around (that I don't know how to play), and shakes her head. While in Chicago during the '80, we hit several festivals in Northern Illinois and Wisconsin, but never made it down to Winfiled. Wanted to, but that was a long drive in a short time.
     
    OLD-CADaver, May 21, 2004
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  18. MONCIA

    KLYPH Guest

    As an AutoCAD proficient Architect, I get to stay home while my wife gets to sing at festivals. Musicians need to have a spouse with a steady job. Two summers ago, at a festival in Switzerland, Freddie Powers' band opened for my wife, who was the headliner. I got to stay in Texas and feed the pets and operate AutoCAD. Read Ya Later -KLYPH
     
    KLYPH, May 21, 2004
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  19. MONCIA

    Steve Smith Guest

    I have ADT 3, where is the "squiggle" function?
     
    Steve Smith, May 21, 2004
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  20. MONCIA

    jojo Guest

    I use freehand as well.
    Good control and good price (free)

    As mentioned somewhere else, never "freehand" your original drawing.
    always create a copy. Freehand once started cannot be undone!

    jojo
     
    jojo, May 21, 2004
    #40
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