How to enforce proper HLR of imported parts in drawings?

[Walther Mathieu]

Hello,

I don´t know if this has been an issue here before:

is there a way to enforce correct HLR in drawings
of assemblies containing imported parts (STEP, IGES)?

Like threads some of the imported parts shine through
anything else in magenta ... one can place a thread
onto a layer and exclude it from display, but imports?

Esp. when it comes to show imported parts in a BOM?

Btw., I´m on a late V2001 (2005 - no WFx).

TIA

Walther

 

[David Janes]

Hello,

I don´t know if this has been an issue here before:

is there a way to enforce correct HLR in drawings
of assemblies containing imported parts (STEP, IGES)?

Like threads some of the imported parts shine through
anything else in magenta ... one can place a thread
onto a layer and exclude it from display, but imports?

Esp. when it comes to show imported parts in a BOM?

Btw., I´m on a late V2001 (2005 - no WFx).

Only way I know of is to import them as solids or solidify/thicken afterwards. There are HLR functions for threads, curves and solid pipe centers, but, AFAIK, none of these achieves what you're talking about. I've had similar problems with unmerged, unsolidified import geometry that I never found a better way to deal with than making a thin protrusion out of it (purple goes away).

David Janes

 

[Walther Mathieu]

is there a way to enforce correct HLR in drawings
of assemblies containing imported parts (STEP, IGES)?

Only way I know of is to import them as solids or solidify/thicken
afterwards. There are HLR functions for threads, curves and solid pipe
centers, but, AFAIK, none of these achieves what you're talking about.
I've had similar problems with unmerged, unsolidified import geometry
that I never found a better way to deal with than making a thin
protrusion out of it (purple goes away).

David Janes

Hi David,

thanks for your quick response!

In the meantime, I found out how to avoid the worst behaviour
(ugly purple lines not included in HLR) of the imported geometry.

The trick is (if this is of interest to anyone):

Views - Disp Mode - View Disp - (select/return) - no hidden - Qlt HLR.

"Qlt HLR" apparently means "Quilt Hidden Line Removal".

However, it does not cooperate with views containing sections. Sigh.

Only some time ago I learned what a traditional "quilt" is (Wikipedia):
some patchwork carpet artfully home-made during endless winter evenings,
also useful in some ancient customs of bride-capture eventually ;-)

Pro/E´s german menu translation gives no hint about that, it´s simply
"include" or "exclude" and does not reveal what is actually meant.
Again (obviously) neither the english menus nor the german translation
were supplied by people with sufficient engineering knowledge.

Too bad no one ever had the idea to let menu texts be user edited.

Walther

 

[Jeff Howard]

However, it does not cooperate with
views containing sections.

If you are not yet aware of it; might look at
dtl option show_quilts_in_total_xsecs (default = no).

To show a quilt 'properly' in a section view
you will also have to pick the appropriate option
(in XSEC OPTS; i.e. Model & Qlts) WHEN THE XSEC IS
CREATED. I don't think you can Redefine afterward.

(No Hatch will be created for sectioned quilts, even
closed shells.)

Going back to ...

is there a way to enforce correct HLR in drawings
of assemblies containing imported parts (STEP, IGES)?

.... I'm wondering if you are familiar with Import Feature
Feature Properties and Join Surfs / Make Solid, etc.?
Talking in terms of line color (purple, magenta, yellow,
blue, whatever) might leave room for miscommunication.
It probably doesn't matter a lot in context of this
discussion (except for tangent edge visibility?) but
I'm wondering if it's not possible / practical for you
to create 'solid' objects from the imports rather than
having to work with surfs / quilts.

And ...

Esp. when it comes to show imported parts in a BOM?

.... leaves me lost. Are you working with a multi body
part representation of an assembly?

 

[David Janes]

is there a way to enforce correct HLR in drawings
of assemblies containing imported parts (STEP, IGES)?

Only way I know of is to import them as solids or solidify/thicken
afterwards. There are HLR functions for threads, curves and solid pipe
centers, but, AFAIK, none of these achieves what you're talking about.
I've had similar problems with unmerged, unsolidified import geometry
that I never found a better way to deal with than making a thin
protrusion out of it (purple goes away).

David Janes

Hi David,

thanks for your quick response!

In the meantime, I found out how to avoid the worst behaviour
(ugly purple lines not included in HLR) of the imported geometry.

The trick is (if this is of interest to anyone):

Views - Disp Mode - View Disp - (select/return) - no hidden - Qlt HLR.

"Qlt HLR" apparently means "Quilt Hidden Line Removal".

However, it does not cooperate with views containing sections. Sigh.

Only some time ago I learned what a traditional "quilt" is (Wikipedia):
some patchwork carpet artfully home-made during endless winter evenings,
also useful in some ancient customs of bride-capture eventually ;-)

Pro/E´s german menu translation gives no hint about that, it´s simply
"include" or "exclude" and does not reveal what is actually meant.
Again (obviously) neither the english menus nor the german translation
were supplied by people with sufficient engineering knowledge.

Too bad no one ever had the idea to let menu texts be user edited.

Walther


Ahhh, Pro/e finally gets a Pro/WIKI module in place of the super lame, unhelpful "Help" files! Great idea, let's get it on the agenda of Pro/SUCKER (oops, I really meant Pro/SUER {SEWER? SEUER? REUSER? WERSE? RUKSEC? USERK? KREUSC?} something.) Anyway, Wiki forever! Let's get (it) down (on paper)! Right on (time)!

David Janes

 

[David Janes]

is there a way to enforce correct HLR in drawings
of assemblies containing imported parts (STEP, IGES)?

Only way I know of is to import them as solids or solidify/thicken
afterwards. There are HLR functions for threads, curves and solid pipe
centers, but, AFAIK, none of these achieves what you're talking about.
I've had similar problems with unmerged, unsolidified import geometry
that I never found a better way to deal with than making a thin
protrusion out of it (purple goes away).

David Janes

Hi David,

thanks for your quick response!

In the meantime, I found out how to avoid the worst behaviour
(ugly purple lines not included in HLR) of the imported geometry.

The trick is (if this is of interest to anyone):

Views - Disp Mode - View Disp - (select/return) - no hidden - Qlt HLR.

Yes, it is of interest. Thanks for the suggestion, however, anything that governs displays does not "stick" in the model and can not be saved, a small sticking point.


"Qlt HLR" apparently means "Quilt Hidden Line Removal".

However, it does not cooperate with views containing sections. Sigh.

Only some time ago I learned what a traditional "quilt" is (Wikipedia):
some patchwork carpet artfully home-made during endless winter evenings,
also useful in some ancient customs of bride-capture eventually ;-)

Oh, no, you are NOT suggesting that anything in the aristocratic, highly top-down structured, expert system of Pro/e be proletarianized, are you!?! LET THE MASSES CONTRIBUTE! It'll all go to hell in a handbasket, wait and sea.


Pro/E´s german menu translation gives no hint about that, it´s simply
"include" or "exclude" and does not reveal what is actually meant.
Again (obviously) neither the english menus nor the german translation
were supplied by people with sufficient engineering knowledge.

"engineering knowledge" will be a big advantage when simple literacy may be at issue (you haven't noticed? stupid people rule the world)


Too bad no one ever had the idea to let menu texts be user edited.

Yes, too bad that programming is such an aristocratic profession that the users are just irritating vermin. (You can add system administrators and Pro/e "support" to that list of those from whom I've heard this user deprecating scheiss.)

David Janes