Drawing on scale

I wanna open a template ( For example an A3 ) and fil in the box with
drawing name, number and scale etc.
Than i want to draw my drawing at the right scale. so when i choose for 1:50
i want to draw 1:50 without counting myself
So when i draw a line of 100 i want to give in autocad 100 but the drawing
must be the 1:50 scale

What is the best way to do this ??

 

Why make life difficult

draw your model full size and then use one of the two following options

1) Place your drawing sheet around the model in model space. If you want
scale 50:1 then make your title block and frame 50 times bigger than your
paper size

2) transfer your model to paper space and print out that way

Drawing to scale ceased with the drawing board IMHO

 

You're not likely to find a reasonable way to do what you're suggesting.

You should *always* draw your model at 1:1 (full size). Scaling should be
done only when you plot. Put your titleblock in paper space (a Layout), also
at 1:1; create a viewport, and zoom your model to the correct scale in the
viewport (zoom / 1/nnXP), then plot 1:1.
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We have a routine made for that.
In Modelspace we select the papersize and scale.
A 'paper' is created and scale factor is set (dimscale).
The scale factor is only needed for hatches, linetypes text and dims, you
work in a 1:1 model.
When ready, create a layout (wich is 1:1) and use the scale factor in the
viewport.
That's it, simple.

Jan

p.s.
nederlander?

 

Ja Nederlander !!

 

'Praat' makkelijker.
Ik hoop dat het verhaal een beetje duidelijk was.
Zoniet, laten weten.

Groet,
Jan

 

:
: > Ja Nederlander !!
:
: 'Praat' makkelijker.
: Ik hoop dat het verhaal een beetje duidelijk was.
: Zoniet, laten weten.
:
: Groet,
: Jan
:
:

Heeltemaal duidelijk.


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Dat bedoel ik! ;-))

 

I had one of those and the wheels fell off!

 

I assume you mean his brain JP, because clearly something has come off the
tracks

 

Perhaps it's being brought up on a drawing board, but I've always thought it
rather odd all the convolutions necessary when you have to draw at 1:1 then
have to set up sheets and scale bits accordingly (I've lost count of
drawings seen with dotted lines appearing solid because they weren't
properly scaled).
Would have seemed more logical to have a programme to draw on a sheet size
at a given scale, always knowing that if you run out of sheet area you can
select a bigger sheet or smaller scale without having to rub out what you've
already draw (like on a board).

 

There are programs out there that work that way, and
many firms still put their titleblocks in modelspace, which
amounts to the same thing, more or less.

Once Adesk brought out plot styles I think they finally
made it possible to exploit the plotting-the-same-line-at-different-scales
potential of their approach, but it seems to me that few use it. It
could be that they have reached the practical limits of what the
average cad operator can comprehend and implement.

 

This is the 21st Century. The ability to "build" a full-size model far
outweighs the "convolutions" (which are really a non-issue for anyone who
really understands and makes effective use of CAD) required to make decent
plots.
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"Draw" not "build" in a 2D world where most people still read paper drawings
and plans that Brunel would have understood, 21st century or not.
If its a non-issue then why do I see so many bad drawings? It must be too
difficult for the average CAD driver.
I think its a hangover from early programmes when that was the only way to
do it (like the origin at the bottom left hand corner rather than the centre
of the paper that any draughtsman would use).

 

I would consider any CAD drawing made at other than 1:1 a "bad" drawing.
I've been associated with design and drafting probably since before you were
born, and I can tell you that "bad" drawings most certainly didn't originate
with CAD. There have been "bad" drawings since pencil was first laid to
vellum, or linen, or whatever. Bad drafters make bad drawings, whether they
use CAD or not. Good drafters generally make good drawings, and CAD is
merely a tool to help them do it better and faster.

You're letting your perceptions be colored by your reluctance to learn to
properly use the tools you have available.

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The issues are separate. Drawings are bad because of
many reasons, and many of them out of the hands of the operator.
Way down the list might be the problem you cite, IMHO.

 

In a previous post Paul Turvill says...

I support Paul's comments. The ability to draw at "full size" and then
scale the plot to fit whatever paper you have handy is one of the great
features of CAD programs.

Different programs handle this situation in different ways. Autodesk
has chosen the "modelspace/paperspace/layoutspace" methodology. Other
programs simply have you scale the plot appropriately, for example 1:48
for 1/4"=1'-0". And in some others you can you use a variation of the
paperspace methodology by using X-Ref's into a regular sized (say
24"x36") title block.

It is a plain fact that a bad hand drafter will make a bad CAD operator.
The ability to know how a sheet is laid out and to be able to choose
lineweights in such a way as to make the drawing easy to read is
something is rarely taught anymore. Those of us old enough to still
have a "drafting hand" know that it takes practice to be able to make a
drawing accurate and easy to read. Sloppy drafting is sloppy drafting
whether done by hand or by CAD.

 

....and, of course, for those hardheaded holdouts who still refuse to embrace
paper space, it has always been, and still is possible with AutoCAD to plot
from model space and apply an appropriate scale at plot time. Those
2100'x3300' title blocks tend to give me the willies, though!

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Can I quote you on this? I know a lot of "hardheaded holdouts".

In fact, I know of one outfit where if you admit knowledge and a
preference for PS in the interview, you won't get hired :-0

 

It's pretty much the other way around in our shop.
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