Just noticed this in the acad vba ide. menu | File | New Project | Open Project that prompts for a *.vba project file but in acad to load a project you have to go through vbaman to load a *.dvb file. in the vbaide if you try to File | Open Project a .dvb project it errors in vbaman if i try to open a .vba file it errors if I click on a .vba file it launches vb6 and tries to make the .vba file into a module which is then messed up (not decoded properly) so what's with the .vba project? how is it different from a .dvb project? Couldn't find any references in vb help or msdn or developer help or google this group Tia Mark