Cheap AutoCAD tutorials

Discussion in 'AutoCAD' started by Stanley Israel Beasley, Jul 12, 2005.

  1. One of my friends is trying to learn AutoCAD in order to get a job. He is
    one of my good friends and I have given him the necessary software to
    practice with. Unfortunately, he has no prior experience with the program
    and is starting from scratch. I don't have the time to teach him myself,
    but I would like to help him find a place where he can learn it for cheap.
    He is not rich by any means (hence the gift of the software), and I want
    to be sure he gets quality lessons in the software. Where should I send
    him? Is there a good free website or a local technical college that has
    reasonable costs and a quality course? Thank you for your suggestions!

    -Iz
     
    Stanley Israel Beasley, Jul 12, 2005
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  2. Do you know the old saw about "Cheap, Fast and Good?" Can he get some
    retraining money to go to a college?
    If not, there are books...
    I learned from Omura's Mastering AutoCAD, and then plunged directly into a
    simple drawing project for very little pay. (I had experience in my field,
    and knew something about CAD from another platform.)
     
    Michael Bulatovich, Jul 12, 2005
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  3. Stanley Israel Beasley

    R.K. McSwain Guest


    I'm interested in how you managed this. Did you purchase a license
    (US$3000) for him?
     
    R.K. McSwain, Jul 13, 2005
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  4. Stanley Israel Beasley

    ddpcad Guest

    it is a big deal to all of us that paid US$3000 for our software. Why
    should his friend be given the software for free?
     
    ddpcad, Jul 13, 2005
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  5. Stanley Israel Beasley

    Cadalot Guest

    Here we go again..........

    For all you know it could be a version below 2002 that Autodesk no
    longer support and that you can buy for peanuts on ebay....

    Yes and before anyone says the licence agreement says you can't sell,
    well how can that apply to software that is not supported anymore ?

    To those on the "Mr Angry I paid for Mine, I will use your Car etc
    etc... Get a life and live it"

    This is not answering the guys post.

    Check out my AutoCAD Links Page for FREE Tutorials available on the
    web. http://www.cadalot.co.uk

    Going back to the other subject there are cheap and even free CAD
    packages out there A9CAD looks like a very basic AutoCAD and even
    loads AutoCAD drawings for FREE. IntelliCAD is Cheap, Version 6.5 of
    Cadvance can be downloaded Free etc etc.

    IMHO All software should be issued as Trialware for a period in excess
    of 30 days (90 - 120 Days would be reasonable) and you should invest
    in a licence if you intend to make money using the software.

    HTH

    Alan
     
    Cadalot, Jul 13, 2005
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  6. Stanley Israel Beasley

    Greg Farris Guest

    What kind of job would that be?
    If it's a management position, and he needs to know something about
    AutoCad, because he will be managing people who are using it, then he can
    learn a lot about it from books in a short time.

    If it's a drafting position, then something's bass ackwards here.
    Do you apply to Delta Airlines, then try to rip through your pilot's
    license before the interview comes up? No - you learn the skills first, and
    if you show ability, and enjoy it, then you may want to start considering
    professional aspirations. What if your friend doesn't like it? What if he's
    not particularly good at it? Most people work at it for months, even years
    before finding employment at it.

    Unless of course this is one of those "nephew" jobs - He's got the $75K
    senior CAD manager position no matter what - just has to try to make it
    look passable - while accomplished, hard working CAD draftsmen spend their
    days flipping burgers and their nights looking through the "help wanted"
    section. . .

    G Faris
     
    Greg Farris, Jul 13, 2005
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  7. Stanley Israel Beasley

    long&left Guest

    yeah, and Nehmo stoled the 50 bucks from his Grandmother. But she's not
    going to report him so it's OK
     
    long&left, Jul 13, 2005
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  8. Stanley Israel Beasley

    Chris Gyotar Guest

    That is probably the best analogy I have ever read! Anyways this point is
    moot, are you going to report him? Is Autodesk REALLY going to press
    charges? Exactly...

    Chris
     
    Chris Gyotar, Jul 13, 2005
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  9. Stanley Israel Beasley

    Happy Trails Guest


    Hahahaha - you did that on porpoise, right! Organisms are in fact
    what you get from hookers, and other ladies of less repute.


    Happy Trails To You
     
    Happy Trails, Jul 13, 2005
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  10. Stanley Israel Beasley

    Happy Trails Guest


    Best reference by far, available free online, http://www.cadtutor.net



    Happy Trails To You
     
    Happy Trails, Jul 13, 2005
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  11. Stanley Israel Beasley

    long&left Guest

    morality doesn't work that way. What you do in life is either right or
    wrong. It doesn't matter that Adesk doesn't pursue one for copyright
    infringement, it's still wrong. And, everyone who comes up with analogy
    after analogy about why it should be OK...are wrong too.
     
    long&left, Jul 14, 2005
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  12. Stanley Israel Beasley

    R.K. McSwain Guest

    All AutoCAD software belongs to Autodesk. Read the EULA. When you fork
    over the $$$, you receive a LICENSE TO USE it. What is so difficult to
    understand about this???? If you or anyone else don't like it, find a
    different software. IntelliCAD, Microstation, TurboCAD, etc. etc.

    If "Stanley" bought a copy and gave it to his friend, and his friend
    registers it, no problem. One sale, one install

    If "Stanley" simply lets his friend install a copy of his license - that
    is a problem.

    "long&left" sums it up very nicely - read his post in this thread.
     
    R.K. McSwain, Jul 14, 2005
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  13. Stanley Israel Beasley

    Chris Gyotar Guest

    I don't want no trouble here. I didn't "stoled" anything :) j/k

    Stealing 50 dollars is completely different. If Nehmo were to sell his
    pirated software or turn a profit from drafting THEN the analogy would
    work...Besides, how many individuals actually have their own license which
    doesn't belong to their work?

    It is in Autodesk's interest to have as many people learn their software as
    possible which was shown when they were giving it away years ago to flood
    the market.
    If Autodesk doesn't press charges or even try to confront the "thief" and I
    use that loosely, then they must believe it is not worth pursuing.
    Individuals who aren't using Autodesk products for any reason other than in
    their studies won't be pursued.

    Chris
     
    Chris Gyotar, Jul 14, 2005
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  14. Stanley Israel Beasley

    Chris Gyotar Guest

    Great Page! Most of it is basic stuff but maybe it has some nifty lisp
    tricks.

    Thanks
    Chris
     
    Chris Gyotar, Jul 14, 2005
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  15. Stanley Israel Beasley

    Chris Gyotar Guest

    Morality!? Is long dead, try legality...

    The fact is that you are correct that it is illegal to steal their software.
    Whether is it immoral to do so...I'm not too sure about that, as everyone's
    sense of morality is different. It may be alright to install AutoCAD for
    educational purposes, but say they install express tools then they have
    crossed the line!

    lol besides...I sleep like a baby at night. I don't have any moral qualms
    with someone using AutoCAD to better educate oneself. How many nights have
    you tossed about the injustice of pirated AutoCAD copies being used by piss
    poor students? If you want to look at pirating of ideas and software with
    major consequences go to a Chinese forum :D no disrespect, only the truth.

    Oh and to the original poster thanks for sparking some life in here, no
    matter how irrelevant :)

    Chris
     
    Chris Gyotar, Jul 14, 2005
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  16. Stanley Israel Beasley

    gruhn Guest

    That is probably the best analogy I have ever read! Anyways this point
    is

    Only if you already accept the idea that software theft is not theft. If you
    realize otherwise then the analogy is freakishly disconnected while being
    simultaneously burdened with the button pushing sex theme which can only
    detract from the direct usefulness of the analogy (such as it is).
    You actually don't get to make their policy by guessing about their
    behaviour.
     
    gruhn, Jul 14, 2005
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  17. Stanley Israel Beasley

    gruhn Guest

    Morality!? Is long dead, try legality...

    Legality is dangerous ground. As is so often demonstrated, the only reason
    it isn't legal for government agents to wander in to your house and shoot
    you dead on a whim is because they haven't written a law yet that says so.
    When law is so horrendously out of whack, the only thing we can fall back on
    is morality. Take for instance the current uproar over eminent domain. A
    surprisingly large number of people are coming forward recognizing that it
    doesn't matter what the USSC says is "legal" in this instance, what is
    happening is quite clearly Wrong.
    Another stupid ass piracy discussion? That's "life" and thankworthy? I can
    only imagine that your ":)" is the most understated marker of tired sarcasm
    I've ever seen.
     
    gruhn, Jul 14, 2005
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  18. Stanley Israel Beasley

    gruhn Guest

    but I would like to help him find a place where he can learn it for
    cheap.

    Lend him your manual. Send him to the book store to buy on of the thousands
    of "I stole the software so I don't have a manual" books available.

    Menu: Draw: Line.
    Practice.

    There's buttons. Click them and see what they do. Watch the command line
    because it tries to tell you what AutoCAD expects. I think EVERY student
    I've ever worked with has been caught all too often going "what's going on?
    what am I supposed to do? I'm lost!" when the answer has been "Have you
    looked at the prompt?" And the answer to that has been "Duh, no. Why the
    **** would I do that? I mean, you've only mentioned it n times this semester
    and I figure it's because you're on crack or some shit. Hell I don't even
    know where that archaic thing is. I'll look it up someday, I swear."

    It isn't how to draw the lines, it's which line to draw. That is, learning
    AutoCAD will not be your friend's problem.

    You get what you pay for.

    That's the second "what's local" I've seen this week with no particularly
    convenient exposition regarding TO WHAT!?
     
    gruhn, Jul 14, 2005
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  19. Stanley Israel Beasley

    ddpcad Guest

    sorry, forgot to change my nik from my golf group name :)
    Dave
    DDP
    aka: long&left
     
    ddpcad, Jul 14, 2005
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  20. Stanley Israel Beasley

    ddpcad Guest

    you sir are what's very wrong with the world of today! I feel sorry for
    you...
     
    ddpcad, Jul 14, 2005
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