Question for you guys, this might be a possible bug with 2004 SP 5.0 Used to, pre-5.0, you could be in sketch mode, and you needed to add a tangent relationship, you could do an alt+a, and it would make your segment tangent, all while keeping your pointer in the graphics area. You could do this with all the relationships available for the selected entities/segments. To know which letter to use, look at the tree and next to the relationship type button, it states the relationship type, well there is one letter that is underlined. That is the letter you add to the alt key to add the relationship. Now try to do this in 2004 sp5.0. The only one I can get to work correctly is the equal relationship. This is very annoying, as I have become pretty efficent at adding relations quickly. Now I have to go over to the tree and select a relationship. Anyone want to try this and see if it is happening to their system? Thanks in advance mrcswp