After 13 years of Parametric 3D, my opinion...

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by western1812, Apr 19, 2005.

  1. western1812

    western1812 Guest

    The programs from my past seem endless;
    Pro/E, EMS(Intergraph CLIX/OS predacessor to Solid Edge), SDRC
    IDEAS-Master Series, CATIA, Unigraphics, Solid Edge, Inventor, some
    small hitters and finally Solidworks.

    I have used these packages to design everything from nuclear reactors
    and nuclear application robotics to turbines for the Japanese.

    All have their niche-strengths. Up to last year, I considered myself a
    Unigraphics/Solid Edge fan.

    I must admit, Solidworks is the most complete package for 90% of the
    user requirements out there.

    This is why it is popular. And popularity means support and further
    development.

    Now, as long as their kernel stays robust, they will continue to set
    the bar.

    WV
     
    western1812, Apr 19, 2005
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    Jeff Howard Guest

    most complete package for 90% of the
    Aaa! Well, you obviously haven't tried VX!!!!
     
    Jeff Howard, Apr 19, 2005
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  3. western1812

    Ken Guest

    Considering that half the component technology that they use (and probably
    the two key componenets- Parasolid and D-Cubed) come from UGS...

    Ken
     
    Ken, Apr 19, 2005
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  4. western1812

    Ken Guest

    What I meant to say before prematurely hitting the "Send" button :)

    Considering that half the component technology that they use (and probably
    the two key componenets- Parasolid and D-Cubed) come from UGS... each Solid
    Works sale lines UGS's pocket as well which helps promote the likes of UG NX
    and Solid Edge and furthers the development on the componenet technology.
    Even Inventor has to line UGS's pocket since they use D-Cubed :)

    Ken
     
    Ken, Apr 19, 2005
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  5. western1812

    western1812 Guest

    No doubt that the Parasolid kernel is the one to use as it is the most
    stable.

    I never had a turbine model crap out on me when I was using UG. The
    Spaceball control with 3D crystal-eyes was a spooky interface, like
    science fiction.

    Besides CATIA's proprietary kernel, the 'other' kernel I have had
    stability problems with. If you slice a parabolic surface the wrong
    way you crashed and burned.

    As long as Solidworks continues to use the Parasolid engine with their
    beautiful interface, they will do well.

    VX...to me that is just nerve gas stored where I use to work near
    Umatilla.
    http://www.umatilladepotnews.com/

    Seroiusly, I have not tried VX so I can't offer an opinion. I would
    like to see more about it, but all my Google searches come up with
    nerve gas. Enlighten me.

    WV
     
    western1812, Apr 19, 2005
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    Jeff Howard Guest

    It was meant in jest, but I'm sure someone will come along shortly and tell
    you all about it.

    Curious about the "other" kernel; Granite or ACIS?
     
    Jeff Howard, Apr 19, 2005
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    western1812 Guest

    ACIS has given me grief many times.

    I won't say what product, just that the ACIS kernel has limitations.

    WV
     
    western1812, Apr 19, 2005
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    haulin79 Guest

    Try in Google:
    VX cad
    or
    Varimetrix

    Instead of plain: VX
     
    haulin79, Apr 19, 2005
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  9. western1812

    Ken Guest

    VX gas, VX cad. Don't be so picky!

    Ken
     
    Ken, Apr 19, 2005
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    Cliff Guest

    I'll ask again: Are you also an expert Solidworks user?
    Must have missed your reply last time.
    And, IIRC, you showed up here with jb's rantings ....

    You'd not be a shill, now would you? I did not search ...
     
    Cliff, Apr 19, 2005
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    haulin79 Guest

    As a matter of fact, I did answer your question. My answer remains the
    same.

    I can tell you that I know SolidWorks at least 100 times better than I
    know VX.

    Does that take care of your shill question?
     
    haulin79, Apr 19, 2005
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  12. western1812

    jon_banquer Guest


    The answer you gave and the posts you have made are not what he wants
    to hear. It's part of the mental illness he suffers from which has
    progressively gotten worse over the last few years.

    What is also impossible for him to accept is that we have several
    active posters that refuse to let him slam VX just because I happen to
    use it and like it.

    jon
     
    jon_banquer, Apr 19, 2005
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  13. western1812

    jon_banquer Guest


    Sarcasm does not seem to work well on Usenet. In any case I don't want
    to spoil your party so I will play along :>)

    What the hell is so special about VX ?

    Where can one find info on VX ?

    What kernel does VX use ?

    What is hybrid modeling and how can it help ?

    What is the advantage of a modeler allowing wireframe geometry to exist
    in model and assembly ?

    If it's a hybrid modeler does that automaticly mean the wireframe,
    surface and solid tools work in a seamless, unified kind of way ?

    How can one try VX ?

    Are there any video demonstrations of VX ?

    Who makes the CAM add-in for VX ?

    Who makes the Reverse Engineering add-in for VX ?


    jon
     
    jon_banquer, Apr 19, 2005
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    Cliff Guest

    The first post by haulin79 at gmail.com was on Apr 5 and, IIRC,
    every post since then has been on the joys of VX or copying the
    gripes of others (or commenting on them) about SW.

    Oddly, Apr 5 seems to have been right after your latest wave
    of rants AND you keep hinting that someone in sales at VX
    is helping to feed you clues.

    No other SW activity by haulin79 at gmail.com AFAIK.

    ALL highly suspect indeed AND part of your usual MO.
    You've brought quite a few shills with you and many
    have been caught over the years, jb.

    Nice to see that at least one of you ..... though some
    have been caught being dead wrong about their product that they
    were shilling for too -- even when they were posting directly
    (but they tried to forge it & hide the truth, IE lie) from the
    firm's own computers.
    Nobody is supporting *you*, now are they?

    You don't actually use it as you would have to be a designer or
    a programmer to do that and you are clearly neither and never
    have been.
    Else you'd not get so confused & make so many blunders
    about the basics of such things <G>.
     
    Cliff, Apr 19, 2005
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  15. western1812

    Cliff Guest

    Enjoyed you post about your problems with parametrics <G>.
    And about the manuals & docs .... your problems, anyway.

    Too bad that you could not even do my little test .... not
    up to it, eh? No more than fixing that part ....
     
    Cliff, Apr 19, 2005
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    jon_banquer Guest

    Everything has limitations. ACIS has steadily improved over the years.
    The ACIS kernel is the basis of Keycreator, Alibre, Concepts,
    Ashlar-Vellum Cobalt, etc. Autodesk purchased the code in the ACIS
    kernel for what they call Shape Manager... so how bad can the ACIS
    kernel really be ?

    VX says they have been building hybrid kernels a lot longer than anyone
    else. I don't know if this is the case or not and I don't really care.
    What is obvious and is a FACT is that VX has been building hybrid
    kernels and hybrid modelers for a very long time and that the solid and
    surface tools in VX do work in a seamless, unified manner.

    jon
     
    jon_banquer, Apr 20, 2005
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  17. western1812

    jon_banquer Guest

    :>)

    jon
     
    jon_banquer, Apr 20, 2005
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  18. western1812

    jon_banquer Guest

    Then it should make you happy that VX also licenses Parasolid... for
    file translations. :>)

    I can't tell you how happy I am that UGS has decided that SolidEdge is
    really where most of it's future growth will come from and to greatly
    enhance SolidEdge's power as it's the only way SolidWorks Corp. will
    ever get better in any kind of timely manner. As per usual, Autodesk
    badly trails the market.

    I have seen no evidence yet that VX needs the kind of kick in the ass
    that SolidWorks Corp and Autodesk need.

    Any chance you can talk about SolidEdge more in this newsgroup ? :>)

    If SolidEdge can kick VX's ass in certain areas you better believe I
    will admit it !

    You gonna admit where VX can easily out perform SolidEdge ? :>)

    jon
     
    jon_banquer, Apr 20, 2005
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  19. western1812

    jon_banquer Guest


    You asked to be enlightened. I'll try.

    I don't know of any company besides UGS who has built a truly seamless,
    unified hybrid model with Parasolid. How about you name one for us ?

    Parasolid is devoid of many of the surfacing tools that a developer so
    badly needs to develop a truly seamless, unified, hybrid modeler. While
    ACIS may not be as robust with solids as Parasolid is, it's a much
    better toolkit for developing a hybrid modeler than Parasolid is and
    that's why ACIS is often chosen over Parasolid... despite it's other
    problems.

    VX has their own kernel and a higher level of control does exists when
    you have the ability to develop your own kernel....takes a lot of
    money, and a special skill set, though.

    Unfortunately what you have written about SolidWorks is dead wrong. One
    of the reasons SolidWorks surface tools work so poorly is because it's
    very difficult to integrate component surface tools or your own surface
    tools with Parasolid and make them work in the same manner as the solid
    tools do in Parasolid. Ever notice how many Parasolid based solid
    modelers work in a very similar fasion ? Ever wonder why ? Ever wonder
    what the limiations / road blocks are to making these CAD/CAM products
    more powerful is ? It's Parasolid not having the need surfacing toolkit
    to create more powerful hybrid modlers than what we currently see.

    The sooner SolidWorks dumps Parasolid in favor of ACIS the sooner
    integration of surface and solid tools will no longer be such a problem
    for SolidWorks.... perhaps at the expense of solids being as robust as
    Parasolid, perhaps not.

    BTW, both VX and PTC Granite One are proof that Parasolid is not the
    only robust kernel for solid modeling.

    This has been my attempt to enlighten you. If you want more
    enlightenment I suggest you talk with developers of hybrid modelers
    based on ACIS and ask them why they don't choose Parasolid. I have and
    I know what their answers are.

    jon
     
    jon_banquer, Apr 20, 2005
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    haulin79 Guest

    I want SolidWorks to jump to the Catia kernel...why not? The parent
    company ownes it. Right now SolidWorks is like a Mercedes with a Ford
    motor in it. Mercedes just needs to put in a Mercedes motor in it to
    kill all the competition. I'm not knocking Ford, it's just that it
    doesn't make much sense.

    One VERY cool modeler is www.impactxoft.com that uses the Catia V5
    kernel. The layout and aesthetics is 90% Catia. I was seriously
    looking at that package but the Core ($12k), plus surfacing ($20k),
    plus core and cavity ($35k) = about $35k total was out of our budget. I
    recall both Catia and Intel are financially backing ImpactXoft. In
    fact, some ImpactXoft plastic injection modeling tools are used in
    Catia.
     
    haulin79, Apr 20, 2005
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