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Gra-gra
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      01-15-2004
Happy New Year to all.

Just wondering, does anyone have any useful ProE related commands that
they use at the system window? I get the feeling it's a hangover from
the good old days when people occasionally used a command prompt. The
only time I use it is to purge the current folder, which I find
useful, but are there any other commands in ProE?
 
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David Janes
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      01-19-2004
"Gra-gra" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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: Happy New Year to all.
:
: Just wondering, does anyone have any useful ProE related commands that
: they use at the system window? I get the feeling it's a hangover from
: the good old days when people occasionally used a command prompt. The
: only time I use it is to purge the current folder, which I find
: useful, but are there any other commands in ProE?

Whatever you can do with the system window, it is still a holdover from the 'good
ole daze'. If it's worth doing, it ought to be integrated into the main program.
Purge: aside from the fact that the whole file menu needs reworking and the file
stucture simplifying, this function, basic to good file management, ought to long
ago, have been made a file menu function, not a stinky batch file. Another one
which missed the gui boat over the last 10 years is Pro/BATCH, also in the /bin
directory (which points to the executable in my i486/obj directory called
pro_batch.exe). Even if one wished to run this as a standalone tsr, it should
start from the File menu and use a common gui interface with the main program. It
reminds one that Pro/e has been around for the last 20 years, but seems to have
entirely missed the GUI revolution of the last ten. Another one that you can run
standalone from the command prompt is Pro/TABLE. Yet this program component, which
was an insult to amateur, much less professional, programmers in the 80s and
should have been dumped or fixed long ago, is somehow a mainstay of Pro/e. What
you find through the system window is a trailer park garage sale, running under
the banner of 'Estate Sale: Antiques'.

David Janes


 
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Gra-gra
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      01-20-2004
"David Janes" <(E-Mail Removed).2emove> wrote in message news:<ZSWOb.21290$zP6.7123@okepread02>...
> "Gra-gra" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> : Happy New Year to all.
> :
> : Just wondering, does anyone have any useful ProE related commands that
> : they use at the system window? I get the feeling it's a hangover from
> : the good old days when people occasionally used a command prompt. The
> : only time I use it is to purge the current folder, which I find
> : useful, but are there any other commands in ProE?
>
> Whatever you can do with the system window, it is still a holdover from the 'good
> ole daze'. If it's worth doing, it ought to be integrated into the main program.
> Purge: aside from the fact that the whole file menu needs reworking and the file
> stucture simplifying, this function, basic to good file management, ought to long
> ago, have been made a file menu function, not a stinky batch file. Another one
> which missed the gui boat over the last 10 years is Pro/BATCH, also in the /bin
> directory (which points to the executable in my i486/obj directory called
> pro_batch.exe). Even if one wished to run this as a standalone tsr, it should
> start from the File menu and use a common gui interface with the main program. It
> reminds one that Pro/e has been around for the last 20 years, but seems to have
> entirely missed the GUI revolution of the last ten. Another one that you can run
> standalone from the command prompt is Pro/TABLE. Yet this program component, which
> was an insult to amateur, much less professional, programmers in the 80s and
> should have been dumped or fixed long ago, is somehow a mainstay of Pro/e. What
> you find through the system window is a trailer park garage sale, running under
> the banner of 'Estate Sale: Antiques'.
>
> David Janes


Yep, that Pro/TABLE was a pain in the butt back when I started on ProE
8 years ago. What does Pro/BATCH do though? Something to do with
plotting, isn't it?
 
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David Janes
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      01-21-2004
"Gra-gra" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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: "David Janes" <(E-Mail Removed).2emove> wrote in message
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: > "Gra-gra" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
: > news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
: > : Happy New Year to all.
: > :
: > : Just wondering, does anyone have any useful ProE related commands that
: > : they use at the system window? I get the feeling it's a hangover from
: > : the good old days when people occasionally used a command prompt. The
: > : only time I use it is to purge the current folder, which I find
: > : useful, but are there any other commands in ProE?
: >
: > Whatever you can do with the system window, it is still a holdover from the
'good
: > ole daze'. If it's worth doing, it ought to be integrated into the main
program.
: > Purge: aside from the fact that the whole file menu needs reworking and the
file
: > stucture simplifying, this function, basic to good file management, ought to
long
: > ago, have been made a file menu function, not a stinky batch file. Another one
: > which missed the gui boat over the last 10 years is Pro/BATCH, also in the
/bin
: > directory (which points to the executable in my i486/obj directory called
: > pro_batch.exe). Even if one wished to run this as a standalone tsr, it should
: > start from the File menu and use a common gui interface with the main program.
It
: > reminds one that Pro/e has been around for the last 20 years, but seems to
have
: > entirely missed the GUI revolution of the last ten. Another one that you can
run
: > standalone from the command prompt is Pro/TABLE. Yet this program component,
which
: > was an insult to amateur, much less professional, programmers in the 80s and
: > should have been dumped or fixed long ago, is somehow a mainstay of Pro/e.
What
: > you find through the system window is a trailer park garage sale, running
under
: > the banner of 'Estate Sale: Antiques'.
: >
: > David Janes
:
: Yep, that Pro/TABLE was a pain in the butt back when I started on ProE
: 8 years ago. What does Pro/BATCH do though? Something to do with
: plotting, isn't it?

Yeah, you know how, with Windows, you can tag a bunch of files, do Ctrl P and get
them all to print. That's what Pro/BATCH does, with some added goodies, like
scheduling. I think it's even gotten a gui interface in the last couple revs.
Before, it was a pain just to create the list. Or you had to set up special
directories, yada yada. I'm not sure if it was ever any use on Unix systems since
they have their own way of queing plot jobs. The batch plot utility just made it
possible to plot without the program loaded, supposing you could be confident
enough of the system to have a reasonable hope of coming back in the morning and
finding everything printed.

David Janes


 
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      01-21-2004
"David Janes" <(E-Mail Removed).2emove> wrote in message news:<ZxkPb.25674$zP6.3246@okepread02>...
> "Gra-gra" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> : "David Janes" <(E-Mail Removed).2emove> wrote in message
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> : > "Gra-gra" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> : > news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> : > : Happy New Year to all.
> : > :
> : > : Just wondering, does anyone have any useful ProE related commands that
> : > : they use at the system window? I get the feeling it's a hangover from
> : > : the good old days when people occasionally used a command prompt. The
> : > : only time I use it is to purge the current folder, which I find
> : > : useful, but are there any other commands in ProE?
> : >
> : > Whatever you can do with the system window, it is still a holdover from the
> 'good
> : > ole daze'. If it's worth doing, it ought to be integrated into the main
> program.
> : > Purge: aside from the fact that the whole file menu needs reworking and the
> file
> : > stucture simplifying, this function, basic to good file management, ought to
> long
> : > ago, have been made a file menu function, not a stinky batch file. Another one
> : > which missed the gui boat over the last 10 years is Pro/BATCH, also in the
> /bin
> : > directory (which points to the executable in my i486/obj directory called
> : > pro_batch.exe). Even if one wished to run this as a standalone tsr, it should
> : > start from the File menu and use a common gui interface with the main program.
> It
> : > reminds one that Pro/e has been around for the last 20 years, but seems to
> have
> : > entirely missed the GUI revolution of the last ten. Another one that you can
> run
> : > standalone from the command prompt is Pro/TABLE. Yet this program component,
> which
> : > was an insult to amateur, much less professional, programmers in the 80s and
> : > should have been dumped or fixed long ago, is somehow a mainstay of Pro/e.
> What
> : > you find through the system window is a trailer park garage sale, running
> under
> : > the banner of 'Estate Sale: Antiques'.
> : >
> : > David Janes
> :
> : Yep, that Pro/TABLE was a pain in the butt back when I started on ProE
> : 8 years ago. What does Pro/BATCH do though? Something to do with
> : plotting, isn't it?
>
> Yeah, you know how, with Windows, you can tag a bunch of files, do Ctrl P and get
> them all to print. That's what Pro/BATCH does, with some added goodies, like
> scheduling. I think it's even gotten a gui interface in the last couple revs.
> Before, it was a pain just to create the list. Or you had to set up special
> directories, yada yada. I'm not sure if it was ever any use on Unix systems since
> they have their own way of queing plot jobs. The batch plot utility just made it
> possible to plot without the program loaded, supposing you could be confident
> enough of the system to have a reasonable hope of coming back in the morning and
> finding everything printed.
>
> David Janes


That sounds very optimistic to me!
 
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Gerard van de Schoot
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      01-22-2004
The only usefull thing with the system window, i think, is programming.
Since the standard versions of pro and wildfire have no programming
utilities at all (unlike Solid Works for instance...), the only way of
programming in pro is calling batch or some other script files that creates
trail files, in the system window, which you call with mapkeys.

Grts, Gerard

"Gra-gra" <(E-Mail Removed)> schreef in bericht
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> > : "David Janes" <(E-Mail Removed).2emove> wrote in message
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> > : > "Gra-gra" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> > : > news:(E-Mail Removed) om...
> > : > : Happy New Year to all.
> > : > :
> > : > : Just wondering, does anyone have any useful ProE related commands

that
> > : > : they use at the system window? I get the feeling it's a hangover

from
> > : > : the good old days when people occasionally used a command prompt.

The
> > : > : only time I use it is to purge the current folder, which I find
> > : > : useful, but are there any other commands in ProE?
> > : >
> > : > Whatever you can do with the system window, it is still a holdover

from the
> > 'good
> > : > ole daze'. If it's worth doing, it ought to be integrated into the

main
> > program.
> > : > Purge: aside from the fact that the whole file menu needs reworking

and the
> > file
> > : > stucture simplifying, this function, basic to good file management,

ought to
> > long
> > : > ago, have been made a file menu function, not a stinky batch file.

Another one
> > : > which missed the gui boat over the last 10 years is Pro/BATCH, also

in the
> > /bin
> > : > directory (which points to the executable in my i486/obj directory

called
> > : > pro_batch.exe). Even if one wished to run this as a standalone tsr,

it should
> > : > start from the File menu and use a common gui interface with the

main program.
> > It
> > : > reminds one that Pro/e has been around for the last 20 years, but

seems to
> > have
> > : > entirely missed the GUI revolution of the last ten. Another one that

you can
> > run
> > : > standalone from the command prompt is Pro/TABLE. Yet this program

component,
> > which
> > : > was an insult to amateur, much less professional, programmers in the

80s and
> > : > should have been dumped or fixed long ago, is somehow a mainstay of

Pro/e.
> > What
> > : > you find through the system window is a trailer park garage sale,

running
> > under
> > : > the banner of 'Estate Sale: Antiques'.
> > : >
> > : > David Janes
> > :
> > : Yep, that Pro/TABLE was a pain in the butt back when I started on ProE
> > : 8 years ago. What does Pro/BATCH do though? Something to do with
> > : plotting, isn't it?
> >
> > Yeah, you know how, with Windows, you can tag a bunch of files, do Ctrl

P and get
> > them all to print. That's what Pro/BATCH does, with some added goodies,

like
> > scheduling. I think it's even gotten a gui interface in the last couple

revs.
> > Before, it was a pain just to create the list. Or you had to set up

special
> > directories, yada yada. I'm not sure if it was ever any use on Unix

systems since
> > they have their own way of queing plot jobs. The batch plot utility just

made it
> > possible to plot without the program loaded, supposing you could be

confident
> > enough of the system to have a reasonable hope of coming back in the

morning and
> > finding everything printed.
> >
> > David Janes

>
> That sounds very optimistic to me!



 
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Alex Sh.
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      01-22-2004

"Gerard van de Schoot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> The only usefull thing with the system window, i think, is programming.
> Since the standard versions of pro and wildfire have no programming
> utilities at all (unlike Solid Works for instance...), the only way of
> programming in pro is calling batch or some other script files that

creates
> trail files, in the system window, which you call with mapkeys.
>
> Grts, Gerard


Gerard,

1. Basic Pro/E (2000i2, 2001, Wildfire) has built-in free Java API (JLINK).
So it does have a programming utility, arguably a better one than VB bundled
into SolidWorks.
2. Yes, the batch or other script file is about the only excuse left for the
system window. Not that you need such workarounds anymore, but maybe as
legacy code support...

Alex


 
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Gerard van de Schoot
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      01-23-2004
Tnkx Alex, but programming in java isn't quite as easy, adjustable, and it's
more time consuming compared with a script
file. That's what i mean with it. (I haven't figured it out also...)

Gerard

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>
> "Gerard van de Schoot" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> > The only usefull thing with the system window, i think, is programming.
> > Since the standard versions of pro and wildfire have no programming
> > utilities at all (unlike Solid Works for instance...), the only way of
> > programming in pro is calling batch or some other script files that

> creates
> > trail files, in the system window, which you call with mapkeys.
> >
> > Grts, Gerard

>
> Gerard,
>
> 1. Basic Pro/E (2000i2, 2001, Wildfire) has built-in free Java API

(JLINK).
> So it does have a programming utility, arguably a better one than VB

bundled
> into SolidWorks.
> 2. Yes, the batch or other script file is about the only excuse left for

the
> system window. Not that you need such workarounds anymore, but maybe as
> legacy code support...
>
> Alex
>
>



 
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