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mike
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      07-20-2006
I can't seem to get grid to show on the screen; I've played with the xy
spacing and read the book, I can't seem to find any way to make it visible.
Any suggestions ref. AutoCAD 14

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Mike


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mike
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      07-21-2006
sometimes it says grid too dense, sometimes not.
sometimes the tool bar is grayed out even though the grid is on.

I have zoomed down to much smaller than my limits but will reset my limits
and see what happens.

Thanks
Mike

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>>I can't seem to get grid to show on the screen; I've played with the xy
>>spacing and read the book, I can't seem to find any way to make it
>>visible.
>>Any suggestions ref. AutoCAD 14

>
> The grid only displays within what is defined as your LIMITS.
>
> Does AutoCAD give you any message about displaying the grid?



 
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mike
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      07-21-2006
OK.....got it; it only shows up in tile mode, not visible in model or paper
space.

Thanks
Mike

"mike" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> sometimes it says grid too dense, sometimes not.
> sometimes the tool bar is grayed out even though the grid is on.
>
> I have zoomed down to much smaller than my limits but will reset my limits
> and see what happens.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
> "Ian A. White" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:47:47 -0700, "mike" <(E-Mail Removed)>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I can't seem to get grid to show on the screen; I've played with the xy
>>>spacing and read the book, I can't seem to find any way to make it
>>>visible.
>>>Any suggestions ref. AutoCAD 14

>>
>> The grid only displays within what is defined as your LIMITS.
>>
>> Does AutoCAD give you any message about displaying the grid?

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Michael Bulatovich
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      07-21-2006
You're doing it again, Mike.

"mike" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> OK.....got it; it only shows up in tile mode, not visible in model or
> paper space.
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> Thanks
> Mike



 
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mike
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      07-21-2006
Sorry. I am truly a complete novice. I plead for you to be patient with me.
I do think that what I mean is that the grid only shows up when the Model
mode is tiled......would that be correct?
The book that I am reading "Inside AutoCAD 14" uses the terminology
"Tilemode". I think that I understand this to mean that when "Tilemode" is
turned on (1) you only work in model mode and don't have the viewports
visible to work in and only work on the 'model' when "Tilemode" is turned
on. That is the only time that I see the grid is when the Model mode is
"Tiled". I hope I get this right so I don't offend you.

Thanks
Mike

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> "mike" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> OK.....got it; it only shows up in tile mode, not visible in model or
>> paper space.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mike

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Paul Turvill
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      07-21-2006
I give up.
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> ...Model mode is tiled...



 
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Michael Bulatovich
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      07-21-2006

"mike" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Sorry. I am truly a complete novice. I plead for you to be patient with
> me.
> I do think that what I mean is that the grid only shows up when the Model
> mode is tiled......would that be correct?


There is no such thing as "model mode", so it can't be tiled or anything
else but a misnomer. I would say, "when TILEMODE is on or 0", but the point
about the grid isn't actually correct.

The grid in paperspace will show in paperspace within the current limits if
GRID is set to on in paperspace. The grid in modelspace will show (within
the current limits of modelspace) in a floating (paperspace) viewport,
created with the MVIEW command, if GRID is set to on in that viewport. You
can actually set acad so that both grids show and have different spacings. I
don't normally show the grid or snap to it in my work.

> The book that I am reading "Inside AutoCAD 14" uses the terminology
> "Tilemode".


That is correct usage. Follow their lead. Do they ever use the terms "model
mode" or "in tile mode", etc.?

> I think that I understand this to mean that when "Tilemode" is
> turned on (1) you only work in model mode
> and don't have the viewports
> visible to work in and only work on the 'model' when "Tilemode" is turned
> on. That is the only time that I see the grid is when the Model mode is
> "Tiled". I hope I get this right so I don't offend you.


.....
There is no such thing as "model mode". You can only work in *modelspace*
when TILEMODE is on. When TILEMODE is on, you can have multiple viewports
but only the "tiled" variety, created with the VPORTS command. With TILEMODE
set to on or 1, try the VPORTS command, use the 2,3,or 4 option and you may
understand why the terminology is what it is. These are tiled viewports, and
the only kind you can have here (modelspace). There can be no screen space
between the viewports.

Now set TILEMODE to off or 0, issue the command PSPACE to make sure that
paperspace is the active space, then use the MVIEW command to create a
floating viewport. This is the only kind you can get here (paperspace).
There can be screen space between the viewports and they can even overlap.

Have you read "Chapter 12 -- Layout and Plotting" in your help file? If not
press F1.

One more thing: you can't offend me with any of this stuff.
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mike
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      07-21-2006
Thank you for making it much clearer. For some reason that concept has been
difficult for me to get into my head. I've just started working with acad
seriously and most things make sense but I'm just struggling with that one
concept of the difference between modelspace and tilemode on and off. I will
get in drilled in though.
I will try looking at getting the grid to show in paperspace. I do have
viewports in paperspace at this time and when I am in modelspace I don't see
the grid but will play with my limits and see what happens.

Thanks
Mike

"Michael Bulatovich" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "mike" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>> Sorry. I am truly a complete novice. I plead for you to be patient with
>> me.
>> I do think that what I mean is that the grid only shows up when the Model
>> mode is tiled......would that be correct?

>
> There is no such thing as "model mode", so it can't be tiled or anything
> else but a misnomer. I would say, "when TILEMODE is on or 0", but the
> point about the grid isn't actually correct.
>
> The grid in paperspace will show in paperspace within the current limits
> if GRID is set to on in paperspace. The grid in modelspace will show
> (within the current limits of modelspace) in a floating (paperspace)
> viewport, created with the MVIEW command, if GRID is set to on in that
> viewport. You can actually set acad so that both grids show and have
> different spacings. I don't normally show the grid or snap to it in my
> work.
>
>> The book that I am reading "Inside AutoCAD 14" uses the terminology
>> "Tilemode".

>
> That is correct usage. Follow their lead. Do they ever use the terms
> "model mode" or "in tile mode", etc.?
>
>> I think that I understand this to mean that when "Tilemode" is
>> turned on (1) you only work in model mode
>> and don't have the viewports
>> visible to work in and only work on the 'model' when "Tilemode" is turned
>> on. That is the only time that I see the grid is when the Model mode is
>> "Tiled". I hope I get this right so I don't offend you.

>
> ....
> There is no such thing as "model mode". You can only work in *modelspace*
> when TILEMODE is on. When TILEMODE is on, you can have multiple viewports
> but only the "tiled" variety, created with the VPORTS command. With
> TILEMODE set to on or 1, try the VPORTS command, use the 2,3,or 4 option
> and you may understand why the terminology is what it is. These are tiled
> viewports, and the only kind you can have here (modelspace). There can be
> no screen space between the viewports.
>
> Now set TILEMODE to off or 0, issue the command PSPACE to make sure that
> paperspace is the active space, then use the MVIEW command to create a
> floating viewport. This is the only kind you can get here (paperspace).
> There can be screen space between the viewports and they can even overlap.
>
> Have you read "Chapter 12 -- Layout and Plotting" in your help file? If
> not press F1.
>
> One more thing: you can't offend me with any of this stuff.
> --
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>
> MichaelB
> www.michaelbulatovich.ca
>
>



 
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mike
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      07-21-2006
> think of tilemode as asociated with viewports, not model and paper space.
> that might help. think of paper space as a piece of paper, and viewports
> in paper space as windows that look at the model - which is in model
> space.


I understand viewports in paperspace and modelspace

> it's kind of an extended concept.
>
> back in the day, with pencil and T-bar, mechanical drawings had (usually)
> 3 views; top, right and left. you drew the top view and extended lines to
> help create the other views. that's how they taught drafting when I was in
> school.


I took drafting for 3 yrs in highschool in the early 60's and one year of
Arcitectual school at the university in 1970, but had to work to make a
living so I could eat.....well the rest is history....I never got back to
arcitectual school...oh well, I did ok. Now I am retired and want to draw my
own hous plans and have a lot to learn and format to figure out.

>
> views, in autocad grew out of that concept. except there was only one
> model. all your editing affected all three views at the same time. but if
> you were already trained to draw the views, it made sense right off.


All that makes sense and I am able to have three views on the model space to
see what is going on.

>
> then things got "better". more sophisticated. better tools, people started
> doing more stuff.
>
> it's just not intuitive if you did not start with a pencil, 100 years
> ago.....
>
> THERE IS A GRID IN PAPER SPACE AND A GRID IN MODEL SPACE.
> you can get "grid too small to display" message when you go to paper space
> if the grid in one viewport (paper space viewport) is set too small.


I still haven't been able to get the grid to show in paperspace or model
space but will play around some more

>
> I don't use the grid. I don't know what it would do for me. but I leave
> the grid ON in paper space out of habit. it's a visual reminder to me.
> so, I'm quirky.


I was using the grid to lay out the in slab radiant heat tubing.

>
> if you just leave the grid off, and that might be wise if you have no
> particular use for it, the error messages won't be a bother.
>
> OK?


OK!

>
> in paper space, viewports can be non rectangular and can overlap.
> think of tilemode and paper v.s. model like on/off freeze/thaw for layers.
> you only really need to grasp one concept. in paperspace, tilemode is set
> to 1, and viewports are all in a 2d space (paper).
> in model space, viewports are like divisions of your screen, and they must
> fill the screen with no "white space".


When I have tilemode set to (1) "on" I only have one viewport. I think that
is where I am having the conceptual problem of separating tilemode from
modelspace.
If I created more viewports in modelspace I think that I could switch
between them(?) using tilemode (1) and tilemode(0), what I find is that when
I am in tilemode(1) everything that distracts and fills the screen is gone
and all I have to work on is the model in the one viewport that I have that
fills the entire screen......am I on the right track? When I am in
tilemode(0) I can see all my viewports.
>
> if you're not confused yet......


Less confused......I just spent an hour and a half playing with paperspace,
modelspace and tilemode on and off.
I created 2 viewports in paperspace and then went to modelspace and my two
viewport were there as in paperspace and the grid worked in both; then I
went to tilemode and made 3 viewports and set each one to a different 3D
view and everything worked there also so I am now much more clear on the
settings.

>
> draw in model space, print from paper space.
> draw your model full scale, and scale through a paperspace viewport to get
> a representation of you model at a size that will fit the paper you want
> to print on. you can overlap paperspace viewports in paper space to make
> the presentation of the paper more pleasing without effecting the model.
>
> paper space is like a scrapbook. you take pictures of your model from a
> particular perspective at a particular scale, and you can drag them around
> (overlapping if need be) wherever you please on your paper.
>
> model space viewports, kind of an out of date concept because I think
> anything you can do with them you could do in paper space - but there are
> infinate things they CAN'T do. they are just similar to an old way of
> thinking that many older draftmen are very comfortable with.....
>
> cheers.


Thanks all for your help

Mike


 
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mike
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      07-22-2006
> you want a total length of pipe per zone.
> I like to draw one line, offset it repeatedly, and fillet the ends
> together. don't know if I am communicating very well, but...


>>>>>>>I understand exactly.....I use the offset function a lot....great
>>>>>>>tool.


> then I draw the supply end of the loop and the return end, and fillet them
> to connect. for the parallel lines, the radius does not matter. for the
> rest you need a gentle bend appropriate for the tubing.


I just show them square on my drawing but know that they will have a 1'
radius bend in application.

" polyline edit >> join them all together" , and when you list the puppy
she'll give
> you the total length of pipe - which you need to do the design.


I haven't figured out how to get the total length of pipe yet so your "
polyline edit >> join them all together" suggestion may be exactly what it
was that I was looking for. But being a complete and utter novice I'm not
quite clear on your instruction here.....I type in the command line
"polyline edit" and hit the enter? to join them all together? I'm sorry that
I don't have the AutoCAD jargon down well enough so it seems a little
criptic to me.
>
> those were fun to draw. used them in fire stations in the apparatus rooms.
> good design.


I'm a retired fireman.....just retired June 28th after 33 1/2 years.

>
> but using the grid to layout piping in the floor, I would think, is the
> hard way. up to you.


Well it didn't seem all that bad. only took a few min. to lay it out using
the grid as a guide.

>
> as far as viewports. maybe the shortest path to illuniation for you would
> be to (save file under different name and) erase everything in paperspace.
> the set model space to have only one view. use MVIEW to create whatever
> views you want in paper space. work in model space and appreciate the
> "drawing" of the model entirely from paper space.
>
> 14 doesn't do multiple paperspace layouts, if memory serves. I would find
> that inconvenient in my "office environment".


Yes it is inconvenient...I would love to have multiple paperspace layouts!

>
> that's right, I used to have a complicated layer system to manage
> viewports for multiple pages in paper space. glad those days are gone.


Is/are there any good places on the net where I can get some info on
creating multiple pages in paperspace....even if it is draconian, it would
be helpful for me as I am not likely to ever upgrade to a newer AutoCAD.

>
> but I think if you use viewports as a viewing tool in paper space and do
> your actual drafting in model space it will be much simpler, and you
> should catch on much quicker. YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD COMPLEXITY.
>
> I'll be around this weekend.
>
> cheers


Thanks
Mike


 
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